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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,039 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    People have been predicting a rise in inflation and a financial crisis before the lockdown, with property market slowing down etc. All lockdown has done had first paused all that, now it's back. You've also had Brexit and the war in Ukraine having an even greater effect.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,039 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Doing so little driving that I hadnt noticed the price of diesel had jumped so much. I mean I heard all the news about it. But hadn't noticed it at the pumps. But at the last full it was whoa.

    Weekly shopping seems more expensive now and not go so far.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭brickster69


    At least gas prices should remain stable in the short term now that European gas companies are going to be paying in Roubles


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    IMF warn that inflation may be more persistent and hard to beat without a recession..



  • Registered Users Posts: 886 ✭✭✭bb12


    this is a good summary of what is happening around the world right now and how developing countries are in real trouble right now

    its only a matter of time before the trouble comes to our shores




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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    They DID give the money to the people. Bags of the stuff. Unlike 2008 when it was ringfenced into shoring up the banking system.

    40% of the USD money supply (M2 measure I think) was created within the past 2 years. With the ECB it's worse. Up to early 2020, the yoyo had lost 40% of its purchasing power since it's inception (it's engineered in).


    They don't need to give out more money(but they will). They should be giving out sense and financial education 101.


    Stop expecting the govt to save you and just go buy some silver. Or rather sell paper and get some real money.


    Edit: to chime with your sentiment though, the gap between asset owners and wage earners has increased since the early 80s. This is primarily due to the USA decoupling currency from gold or, more succinctly, 'money' from an absolute value and hence money from consequences.

    Governments will increase the supply of aid to society as they crank up the digital printing presses. But giving out devalued money is the same con as a share split.

    Sadly, the vast majority understand the power of money but not the nature of it. The whole thing is badly broken. A lot of pain overdue.

    Post edited by An Ri rua on


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Emerging markets are fcuked. Appreciating dollar is going to mean investment flows out from those countries as capital will continue to depreciate if they don't convert it back to dollars. And USD debt in those countries will get more expensive to pay back or borrow.

    We're headed for trouble. We're not going to be able to just go back to 2018 easily.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Interest rates have to rise, it is as simple as that. However the Eurozone is split in half. The lesser indebted states want interest rates to rise and the heavily indebted states don't. Catch 22 situation really, impossible to please everyone.



    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    We have had quantitive easing for years , the current rise in inflation is caused by rising price of oil, gas, energy , the supply chain crisis, shortage of basic materials, factory's and company's have to raise prices to cover extra costs, some industry's have had to raise wages to attact workers.

    There's no easy way to reduce inflation considering the many factors involved it's worse for people on low wages or a fixed income like retired older people



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  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭AngeloArgue


    The US may need moderate inflation to inflate away long term debt. An aggressive interest rate policy will put an impossible burden on national debt which is already earmarked to be unmanageable in the long term. 

    Inflation generates considerable increases in tax income. If public servant wages and welfare payments don't match inflation it amounts to cuts in real terms. I don't think anyone including unions are expecting matching increases.

    I expect we're in for an increase in economic disparity. Certain gatekeeping and high demand workers will see wages increase higher than inflation while the low skilled, low demand, welfare dependent, and public sector will see pay cuts in real terms.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    Say you get paid 25k now in a years time the spending power of that income will be maybe 20 or 21k in terms of the bills you pay, esb, gas, petrol. Food. Our government has little power or influence , EU governments will have to agree to follow policy's that reduce the cost of energy and try and get the supply chain back to normal operations. One example all large buildings in Germany have to install solar panels to get a building permit

    country's could build more wind or solar power units to reduce reliance on oil imports

    There, ll be more economic disparity Re third world country's and EU countrys, some country's outside the EU will struggle to pay large debts as interest rates rise



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭combat14


    just seen that sri lanka is bankrupt today - no dollars, no rupees, no plants being sown, everyone asked to stay at home to save fuel/energy (they dont have), people being asked to put their money into the banks as the bank have no money .......

    hard to believe this country was only a hares breadth away from this situation 13 years ago only we were bailed out ....



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Wonder what China will want off them when they give them debt forgiveness. This is just the start of it nearly all of Africa is bankrolled by either China or Russia. The west was asleep while the East has bought their influence on these emerging economies. Sri Lanka is a disaster at the minute, many more like Kenya ready to default too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    My local Apple Green was €1.84 for petrol this time last week. It has slowly gone up each today and as I was passing by this morning it was €1.91. 7c per litre increase in the space of a week and nothing said about it in the news.

    Suppose it's because just about everyone is on the black stuff for the lower tax.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    Silver is the most undervalued and suppressed commodity, having not since breached it's 1980 high. Buying silver as investments, sure, but buying silver privately (if you know how to check it) is a no-brainer at this point.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    The vast majority of the European national central banks are insolvent. Just wait til the sparks start to fly..


    Luckily for us, someone in our CB has some cop on and has been busy buying a few tonnes of gold. Great move should there be an earthquake at the centre.

    Gap between Italian and German bonds has never been wider. Or at least as bad as 2013-2014 crisis.

    So, fun and games ladies and gents



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    It will be the euro or the EU that will be the choice. The euro has spent most of its existence in crisis and if some countries like Italy don't abandon it, they will be destroyed with interest rates and that will show even more seeds of populism and anti-EU sentiment.

    Post edited by Amadan Dubh on


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭brickster69


    When producer costs are rising 3% / month, eventually given time these costs are going to trickle down to the consumer. That is unless the producers absorb these costs, and we all know that won't happen.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,407 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    We weren’t anything close to that- there was still considerable economic activity and wealth generation going on even at Rock bottom- farmers certainly didn’t stop growing crops or raising livestock here for example. Sounds like a particularly badly run country- those fundamental problems did not happen overnight



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,407 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Reading up a bit briefly on Sri Lanka- apparently they had a hair brained idea to ban all pesticides and fertilisers to agriculture resulting in a 50% drop in output and now in near famine- let that be a warning to anyone that thinks the eco loon agenda is remotely viable here in Europe

    https://amp.france24.com/en/live-news/20211121-sri-lanka-ends-farm-chemical-ban-as-organic-drive-fails



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,574 ✭✭✭jackboy


    With the way inflation is going there must be many items (food and otherwise) worth stockpiling in the home, if people have the storage. Almost everything is likely to get significantly more expensive, permanently in a lot of cases.



  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭AngeloArgue


    The Sri Lankan government got elected on a populist vote. They cut taxes, printed their local currency, borrowed in foreign currencies, and went on a massive public spending spree. They also had lots of populist measures that interfered with the economy including the agricultural dictats. Some of these same policies are getting increasingly popular in Ireland.

    What threw them into economic crisis was the loss of their tourist sector which they were heavily dependent on and the sudden surge in the price of energy which was exacerbated by the start of the Ukrainian conflict.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,415 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    Own brand milk now gone up to €1.89 across the board for 2 litres.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    Seems like a reasonable price considering the cost involved of buying and maintaining the herd, milking the cows, pasteurising and packaging the milk, then delivering it to stores and keeping it refrigerated for purchase.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,193 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Why silver? I mean it's only a metal with perceived value at the end of the day.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Probably because they already hold silver and they want to see the price rising



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭combat14


    yes just seen that .. supervalue litre milk gone from ..

    75 c -》 85c -》95c per litre

    26.67% price increase in jig time

    irish farm gate prices amongst highest in europe - literally creaming it in...


    bread prices is similarly increasing.. in fact virtually everything in the shop is up


    serious time for many families to sit down and do up new budgets for 2022 the pubs/restautants etc are in for a shock when new grocery price reality full dawns on ordinary consumers ..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 247 ✭✭hayse


    The bread basket will be gone shortly. We are fcuked.



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