"Green" policies are destroying this country

Nope. There's a significant difference between natural gas and safe, secure and reliable sources of natural gas. That much has been well detailed already in the discussion.

And of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. But no one is "triggered" or indeed should be the butt of any other odd suggestion by reason of pointing out that the certain arguments against the development of the Barryroe oil and gas field, presented without backup, really don't stand up to scrutiny. And that's about it I reckon .

Fair question I suppose and yet one which has oddly enough has been continously thrown about in opposition to the idea that Ireland should acccess its own natural gas resources. Afaik other posters here have already addressed this issue several times. But I'll have a stab at whats been already detailed

Currently we have two natural gas fields flowing, both managed by private companies. The natural gas resources of both which are piped onshore in Ireland and used to provide essential energy generation here.

As to a reason why that situation would suddenly change and Barryroe or any of the other untapped natural gas reserves (if it were possible), would suddenly be snatched up and hived off to some rich sheik in Abu Dhabi or similar?

The logistics of natural gas exploration in the territorial waters of an island off the west coast of Europe, means that type of scenario is highly unlikely with there being no existing piped infrastructure to export / sell gas to other countries. The fact that the UK has its own plentiful (albeit dwindling) stocks of natural gas and plentiful LNG supplies rules them as ready buyers of our current but (relative to them meagre) natural gas stocks. Further afield and the costs of long distance transport to Europe where more accessible sources of gas are readibly available would also make that a highly unlikely logistical option for any private company

So whilst a private company could theoretically sell natural gas extracted here elsewhere, the cost and logistics of natural gas transport and the fact that all gas fields off the Irish coast require easy accessible onshore storage facilities means that ultimately Ireland is the benefiter of natural gas reserves accessed in Irish territorial waters. That and the government in issuing exploration and extraction licences are ultimately the controlling agent (as we've seen with Mr Ryans shenanigans) on how, if and where such resources are brought onshore. As for prices and being held to ransom - that would in theory at least something the UK could do to Ireland. But oddly enough we rarely see that being addressed.

Prices for natural gas are currently via the world market and countries where natural gas is extracted make significant revenues in taxation. The addition of facilities for imported LNG also means Ireland would have not one but several eggs in our collective basket and we would be able to purchase gas from a range of suppliers at the most competitive prices.

And let's say if push really did come to shove in the event of some serious world conflict or other disaster - it is within the remit of the Irish government to nationalise natural resources or holdings owned by a any company either foreign or Irish.

The last point and the most important one is that Ireland currently requires a safe, secure and reliable source of natural gas for the period of transition to renewable energy generation. Our energy regulator has already highlighted that the UK pipeline no longer meets those criteria. So we can either access and benefit from the stocks we do have or like some greens we can stick out fingers in our ears, our heads in the sand all the while whistling dixie to ourselves. I know which option I would go for.

They won't. And it's extremely unlikely that the output would be sufficient to supply Ireland's needs on it's own, so in the event that the UK 'cuts us off' (which is their only justification for even developing this gas field) we'd still be mostly screwed unless we have sufficient energy from alternative sources (renewables, energy interconnectors).

The benefit to ordinary people from developing that gas field is practically zero, the costs are enormous (opportunity costs, and the environmental costs from delaying the transition to carbon neutral energy)

Even the Green party in this country recognise that natural gas is essential to the period of transition to renewable energy generation, with an estimate of 80% energy to be produced by renewable means by 2050 ie a period of approx 30 years. These targets are also accepted in the EU and most every other country in the world. And if we can't use our own gas, then in all good conscience we can't use electricity imported from elsewhere which is produced using gas/oil/coal/nuclear

Why do you alone think Ireland is somehow the exception to that rule? And are you happy in the here and now to have periods of brown and black outs when the wind doesn't blow and other renewables and or hydro etc simply are not sufficient to keep the lights on?

How's that going to work? And no the answer at this moment in time is not storage, or hydrogen or any other proposed technology because none of them are yet available on a scale sufficient to power an entire country.

The world is transitioning. It is now cheaper to skip gas and go straight from coal to renewables. Because of Climate change, we're going to leave the majority of the current proven oil coal and gas reserves underground. (the exact proportion of how much is left underground will decide if we can keep the climate habitable for future generations or not)

in what fantasy world is the above statement true. the massive gas/oil nations are going to drill even more in the foreseable future and its leaving nothing in the ground...please inform me if renewables are the saviour then why are these countries still drilling surely they would be obsolete ?

norway

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/norway-plans-expand-arctic-oil-gas-drilling-new-licensing-round-2022-03-17/

united states

saudi arabia

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2081526

The E.U. is not the only body "digging deep". The Chinese, Japanese, India, U.S.A. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc all are. Even within Europe Norway and Germany are "digging deep" for oil and gas and even the Finns are back digging up peat.

Are you disputing what our own regulator said on both our energy security and the E.U. ?

If you are then I hope it`s more fact based than your posts on the supposed communications between Ryan and Barryroe.

On Barryroe and natural gas, as I`ve said earlier, so what? For all you and I know, if Ryan ever gets the finger out, they may go for the gas first with a ready made market so close at hand. Either way it`s not as if we are not going to need natural gas for a substantial period of time into the future. Especially with the Irish Green party attempting to ban LNG.

Nobody says we cannot import gas from the UK and Norway during the transition phase. In fact, that's what some of us have been saying ad nauseum despite you and others pretending that the UK are going to go rogue and place Ireland under an export embargo.

I support a direct ban on Fracked LNG, eg, if we were to ever receive LNG in Ireland, then the importer cannot source that LNG directly from fracking

Importing gas that has come indirectly from a LNG supply that came from fracking at some point down the supply chain, while it's not ideal, we have no option but to accept it, but it's just one more reason why we should speed up the move to 100% renewable energy

So your logic is that we can't use our own gas because of 'reasons' but we can use someone else's including fracked gas and import it?

Well that's just dandy isn't it.

And no one is "pretending" btw. The energy regulator here has already detailed that the supply from the UK is no longer secure

But some people know better and that's just dandy too?

More haste and less speed and all that eh?

India themselves weren`t too worried about it a few months ago at COP26 when the wording on the final agreement was changed last minute on the use of coal from "phase out" to "phase down"