A Better Routeplanner - anyone using this?

unkel · 13-06-2019 10:01pm #1

A Better Routeplanner

Had a look just now and it seems to be very good. Takes into account your car make and model, its consumption (at various speeds), your starting percentage and minimum and target destination percentages

It tells me I can drive from Dublin to Cork city centre in 2:38 at the speed limits everywhere including just a 0:14 charging stop at Ionity Cashel

A quick look at the figures (including Ioniq's consumption) would suggest this is all pretty accurate

Mickeroo · 13-06-2019 10:04pm

Yeah I've been using it since before I even got my EV, much better than any othe other route planners I've seen so far.

You can even change weather/road conditions in the settings to see how it will affect range.

One thing I find annoying with wind direction though is it only lets you pick headwind or tailwind not the actual direction of the wind.

unkel · 13-06-2019 10:07pm

There doesn't seem to be an app for it. And unfortunately, the chargers are not live.

Mickeroo · 13-06-2019 10:09pm

unkel wrote: »

There doesn't seem to be an app for it. And unfortunately, the chargers are not live.

Yeah no app but you can just pin it to your home screen so it's as good as more or less.

Yeah shame there's no live charging info, would be a great thing to get on the head untit of the ioniq.

unkel · 13-06-2019 10:18pm

Interesting to see I can make it from Dublin to Galway, Limerick, Belfast and even Donegal (Bundoran) without charging in my 28kWh car if I keep to 90km/h or 100km/h maximum, depending on the route. Even to Cork city centre if I stick to 75km/h

krissovo · 13-06-2019 11:36pm

Nice to see that it appears to be based on real world figures, it really helps to from our use case(s) to get rid of fossil fuel cars from our house hold......Forever :-)

liamog · 14-06-2019 1:24pm

Ooh, I must try and set this up.

https://forum.abetterrouteplanner.com/blogs/entry/26-obd-live-data-setup/

unkel · 14-06-2019 1:33pm

Keep us updated Liam!

Does any ELM327 bluetooth OBD2 adapter work with Ioniq? I think I have one lying about somewhere. Never given it a try

From memory, I think you have used it for Torque Pro app?

Black_Knight · 14-06-2019 1:42pm

Tried my trip from Cork to my parents in the midlands. It says I can do it in 2:47, including a 2 minute charge at the Ionity chargers in Cashel. €8 for 2 minutes :rolleyes:

Must tweak the consumption, because it also says from 100% i'd not need to stop at all (222km, arriving with 10% left) and my range has never shown more than 210km.
The "next charger" option is nice though.

unkel · 14-06-2019 1:52pm

Black_Knight wrote: »

it also says from 100% i'd not need to stop at all (222km, arriving with 10% left)

It's probably saying you can only do that at 90km/h max. It did for me with anything a good bit over 200km

liamog · 14-06-2019 1:54pm

unkel wrote: »

Keep us updated Liam!

Does any ELM327 bluetooth OBD2 adapter work with Ioniq? I think I have one lying about somewhere. Never given it a try From memory, I think you have used it for Torque Pro app?

I just bought one at random from Amazon and it worked. Use it with Torque Pro.

Black_Knight · 14-06-2019 1:58pm

unkel wrote: »

It's probably saying you can only do that at 90km/h max. It did for me with anything a good bit over 200km

I added in some extra weight, and some headwind and that seems a bit more realistic. Maybe one day i'd make the 222km on 1 charge, but my range meter hasn't given me that confidence yet (every day I belt up a hill and get 22+kw/100km consumption so it's not helping).

Notice the units they list..
Units: Metric Imperial British

jusmeig · 14-06-2019 2:11pm

This is excellent -> thanks!

Nedved85 · 24-06-2019 3:21pm

Nice website. Thanks for sharing.

unkel · 25-06-2019 11:01am

It's funny these days that we are giving out about spending €8 to fill our car up. While a few years ago many of us would have spent €100 to fill our ICE cars up

Black_Knight · 25-06-2019 11:12am

unkel wrote: »

It's funny these days that we are giving out about spending €8 to fill our car up. While a few years ago many of us would have spent €100 to fill our ICE cars up

The different being the price is regardless of how much fuel is already in your tank.

I need to start bringing snacks with me on these long drives. Coffees, muffins, water etc in CircleK are totting up.

dbran · 02-07-2019 2:28pm

40c per Kilowat seems expensive though and as previously mentioned it would only be worth it if you were looking for a quick top up otherwise the €8 would be cheaper or €7.60 if you use Newmotion card.

dbran

Mickeroo · 28-12-2019 2:50pm

Just a heads up for anyone that uses A Better Route Planner, there's an app available now (on android at least).

Northumberland · 29-12-2019 9:35am

i read this thread about ABRP with interest but several posts stated that an App was not available and you had to use their website. I have just downloaded the App for iPad, updated yesterday it says, and it appears to work well.

BigAl81 · 29-12-2019 10:32am

I plugged in a few long journeys that I do regularly and it got it spot on in terms of range and speed.

Make sure to put in the right temperature and a bit of wind in for good luck as well.

liamog · 29-12-2019 5:53pm

I had it hooked up to the live data using Torque. It was great to see how accurate the usage was across the journey.

Black_Knight · 29-12-2019 9:04pm

liamog wrote: »

I had it hooked up to the live data using Torque. It was great to see how accurate the usage was across the journey.

Is that an integration the app has, or were you just manually setting ABRP based on torque data?

liamog · 29-12-2019 9:31pm

Black_Knight wrote: »

Is that an integration the app has, or were you just manually setting ABRP based on torque data?

ABRP has integration with Torque. You need to login to ABRP, choose your car and then follow the setup instructions. There are some custompids for ABRP but it works really well.

Black_Knight · 29-12-2019 10:00pm

liamog wrote: »

ABRP has integration with Torque. You need to login to ABRP, choose your car and then follow the setup instructions. There are some custompids for ABRP but it works really well.

Amazing! Would of loved this for my Cork -> Galway trip.

BigAl81 · 29-12-2019 10:12pm

Humm, don't suppose there'd be any particular dongles you'd recommend to get that work with the Ioniq?

Thanks!

liamog · 30-12-2019 1:42am

I bought one pretty much at random in 2017. It just worked, checked online and it's no longer on sale.

charlieIRL · 30-12-2019 11:52am

BigAl81 wrote: »

I plugged in a few long journeys that I do regularly and it got it spot on in terms of range and speed.

Make sure to put in the right temperature and a bit of wind in for good luck as well.

I put in worst case scenario figures when planning a route with it. That way I have a bit of a buffer.

10-10-20 · 30-12-2019 1:50pm

BigAl81 wrote: »

Humm, don't suppose there'd be any particular dongles you'd recommend to get that work with the Ioniq?

Thanks!

I was using the Vgate units (BT and WIFI) off Amazon, but both would go to sleep in multiple vehicles after 2 mins and were useless. I ended up going for the Carista one and it's perfect and works well with TORQUE.

The only niggle that I have are that TORQUE needs to upload the OBD2 data at 30 second increments to ABRT's servers, then ABRT needs to download this again to update the GUI. That's all too much faffing and it would be nice for the APP to support direct access to the OBD2 devices instead; but that's another discussion altogether.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Carista-Bluetooth-Adapter-Scanner-Technology/dp/B00YVHGTBM/ref=sr_1_1_sspa

ELM327 · 30-12-2019 4:29pm

unkel wrote: »

It's funny these days that we are giving out about spending €8 to fill our car up. While a few years ago many of us would have spent €100 to fill our ICE cars up

€240 was my max, for an '88 Chevrolet Suburban with the "long range" pack (ie a 40 gallon fuel tank). 500 mile range but a pain to fill up!
Now I find myself working out cost vs time to charge for Ionity vs ecars vs tesla, and there's only a few quid in the difference!

I downloaded the app and it's not really accurate for me, the Tesla onboard GOM (in the trip planner) is more accurate than this.

Sam the Sham · 21-05-2022 10:45am

I used ABRP (via CarPlay) on my first long-distance journey since I got my EV in January. I found it was very useful.

However, the CarPlay version of the app is clearly designed for LHD cars. The CarPlay info strip is on the right in RHD cars and covers up a lot of information (battery charge level, speed limits). Also, the current route is much to far over to the right and tends to be covered up by other information while there's a large useless expanse of map off to the left of the screen.

There doesn't seem to be any way to change this behaviour, though. I'd gladly subscribe to the service, but they'll need to fix this first. A simple switch in the prefs would be nice, unless I'm missing something.

10-10-20 · 21-05-2022 10:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119093058#Comment_119093058

Good point. Please feed it back to the developer as a feature request.

https://abrp.upvoty.com/b/request-a-feature/

MichaelR · 25-05-2022 2:26am

Tried to plan a trip from my home in co. Limerick to Belfast with my Kia Soul EV 2019, which is clearly over range.

It came up with charging at Ionity, the most expensive optoon, despite the charge being needed on the M/N7 close to Dublin, which has quite a few ESB chargers.

Is this tool sponsored by Ionity, I wonder?

crisco10 · 25-05-2022 3:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110167#Comment_119110167

I assume it defers to Ionity because Ionity is (generally) faster than the other options. If you want, you can change your network preferences in ABRP to avoid Ionity entirely, or to "prefer not" etc etc

eddhorse · 25-05-2022 10:31am

Yes you can avoid all ionity if you like.

10-10-20 · 25-05-2022 3:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110167#Comment_119110167

You can modify that by moving the slider called "Charging Stops" from "Quickest Arrival" towards "Short but many" etc (or "Few but long" if it suits). If it still picks Ionity, just block the provider as mentioned above.

MichaelR · 25-05-2022 5:33pm

Thanks, I was able to block Ionity though it was tricky. Now, where do I play around with speed? Can't find that in the UI...

10-10-20 · 25-05-2022 6:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113360#Comment_119113360

It's there - called Speed under Settings. Maybe it's easier on a desktop than the app?

MichaelR · 25-05-2022 6:34pm

Thanks but I am on a desktop!

So the idea is I set maximum speed to a lower value and see what this does to the range etc?

10-10-20 · 25-05-2022 8:15pm

Exactly. Works well too as ABRP works off a table of consumption/100km based on your car model.

Fingleberries · 26-05-2022 9:16am

If you refister for an account (even a free one), you can use the desktop version to do all the fiddly bits about your car, probable additional weight, etc. Then it's saved when you use it on your mobile and you can just plan your routes then.

innrain · 26-05-2022 10:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119113360#Comment_119113360

It should not be difficult. Here I made a mock up route for my Kona

If you click on the x of the right side of the charger in the itinerary list you get

Also if you select a charger you have the action button which lets you select to avoid it completely or manage network preference so next time Ionity will not be suggested on route.

Also if you click on the 3 lines top left corner you get to the advance settings where you play with the car consumption rates and the charging preference

Speed is there too.

The premium account lets you have multiple cars, account for the weather, real-time traffic etc. (they have a trial for a week but if you used Bjorn referal I think you can extend the trial to 30 days). If you are geeky enough you can use an ODB2 dongle to relay live data from your car to ABRP for "a better routing".

Having said all that, read this post, as there are ways to make Ionity cheaper than ESB. Last Sunday we charged our both cars in the same time at Ionity Gorey while there was a q for the ESB. Also going up north better plan for the return journey.

A Better Routeplanner - anyone using this?

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