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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Of course he's smarter than all other analysts experts and reporters. He gets all his information from Twitter conspiracy sites and Russian state media outlets. The experts are getting their information from actual sources which means they are obviously all false.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Russia expected Ukraine to fall in a short period, days, and so did many Western observers. Russian officers had restaurants booked in Kyiv. They bought riot police with them, they were wheeling out Yanukovych to administer occupied Ukraine, he wasn't going to be used to run Donbas. It was a war to conquer the entire country, it's why e.g. they have replaced Ukrainian road signs with Russian ones, why they are switching to the rouble in occupied areas, issuing babies Russian birth certificates.

    Russia (and most analysts) did not expect that much Ukrainian resistance. They didn't expect Zelensky not to flee. They didn't expect Russian military units to be so useless, for advance units to run out of petrol, for the sheer level of disarray.

    Here's one of the Ukrainian presidential advisors predicting all this years ago.

    Things didn't work out that way, so they just adapted their "goals".

    There are countless sites following this war daily, Ukrainian gains/losses and Russian gains/losses, we have satellite imagery we can see the frontlines. They can be correlated and checked against all the info we receive.

    For example


    16th May:

    "Ukrainian troops reached the state border in the vicinity of Ternova. Russian forces are slowly gaining ground in the area of Siverskyi Donets and pushing Ukrainian troops across the river.

    The enemy attempted to cross the state border in Sumy Oblast. Ukrainian Border Guards successfully repelled the attack. Russian army fired missiles towards Mykolaiv, Odesa and the area of Zatoka.

    Late in the evening, we learned that at least 10 buses of Ukrainian wounded soldiers have left Azovstal towards Russian-controlled Novoazovsk. Ukrainian officials confirmed that there is an ongoing evacuation of wounded soldiers."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    He was also smarter than all the combined knowledge of Holocaust researchers, historians, experts and scholars. It's Dunning-Kruger on steroids.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    And all without being able to do high school math or elementary school grammar.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    A single EU official claims that Putin told him this secretly. Putin never announced that his army would enter Ukraine and capture it within a few days. The media running this EU quote as an official statement of fact and the press and media in the west saying the same thing you're saying now. There is no playbook for what deadlines and timeframes were established here at the Kremlin. This does not prevent individuals such as yourself and the media from doing it anyway. You are reading online articles written by western propagandists who claim not fact Russia would install Yanukovych once again. Nothing more than drivel again. The Donbas have their own elected leaders, and they are not going to part with them for someone who hasn't been sighted in those parts for a decade or more. What evidence is there that the vehicles and gear belong to riot police?

    A dimwit who knows anything about warfare would know that Putin wished to conquer the entire Ukraine.a bigger army be needed. In Kyiv, the approach was to surround rather than capture it It was an attempt to have the government buckle from within, but it was unsuccessful. One need only look at the picture of forces sent to Kyiv to understand this. Their problem was that they moved towards Kyiv as if they were not at war. Units and units were clogged up without direction or capabilities to fight. From Russia's military perspective, advancing without artillery support makes no sense, which is why the situation got so bad there, and the Russians were forced to retreat. 

    There was a feint there to tie up a great deal of Ukrainian forces up north in order for them to reposition to the south or east. It is the main reason why Russia took over most of the south coast so easily. Ukraine was too concerned about what was happening in the north. 

    The Russians have realized what went wrong, and they have adapted and have been preparing the battlefield and strategizing for months now, which is why all the lines in the town and villages are breaking now. Russia hits the defensives with heavy weaponry and when it becomes weak, it pushes. All are using deception to mask their encirclements; this is very soviet in nature; why change what does not need to be changed. 

     



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    It is just a point of fact that this war once again showcased how narratives can be twisted and moved around as well as how propaganda operates. My doubt of history and stuff all playing out here again., Propagandists in the West claim the Russian forces are low on morale, men refuse to fight, the end is near for Putin and his army, tanks are breaking down, and Russian advances in the east are stalled. Russia is doomed to failure. War over for them pushed back by summer. Running out of missiles in March, the list of bullshit is endless.

    There is no way that these western propagandists can ever comprehend themselves and are able to explain why all the towns, villages, and cities in the Donbas fell in last week or so in the future.. They only make up nonsense as they go along and have a new narrative.   



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Afghanistan had been preparing and fighting the Taliban for 20 years, as soon as the US left, it collapsed in a short period. The Iraqi military in the first gulf war was touted as the fourth largest in the world, it completely crumbled. The Soviets took Czechoslovakia in a week in 1968 in a textbook invasion (target media, airports and government buildings, the country can fall quickly after). Putin took Crimea with a few thousand men vs 25,000 for Ukraine, how? The Ukrainians were completely unprepared, and the Russians took key installations very quickly, took over TV, took over the parliament.

    Many, including the Russians, expected Ukraine to fall pretty quickly when faced with a full invasion from the world's 2nd or 3rd largest military force. Didn't happen. Anyway..

    Reality: We have a good idea what's happening in the war, where the frontlines are, who is gaining/losing what

    Cheerful spring: The "WeSteRn MeDia" is all propaganda, we in the West are sheeple who know nothing, the Ukrainians are about to crumble any moment, this was the plan all along by Russia, yadda yadda

    No one is really "winning" the war, the Ukrainians have prevented a full collapse, likewise have pushed the Russians back from key capitals, they have high morale, good man-power, decent defensive arms support but lack offensive power, and their economy is in very serious trouble even with all the aid. The Russians have terrible logistics, poor morale, manpower problems (contracts running out), are losing equipment at the rate of 3 to 1, but their military still has the balance of power, they have a much more powerful air-force, strong artillery and are making incremental gains in the East, whilst holding the South.

    The Ukrainians are fighting for their lives, their country, the families, freedom, democracy and against the attempted annihilation of their cultural identity. The Russians are fighting a pointless medieval war of conquest by Putin to grab as much of Ukraine as possible and convert it into Russia, they are on about plan F at the moment. Oh, and the war has utterly nothing to do with "genocide" or NATO or any of that horseshit, it's just propaganda conjured up by the Kremlin to validate their brutal imperialism and is swallowed hook line and sinker by the hard-left and other useful idiots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,751 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I guess this explains why your grasp of the English language is so bad, are you posting from Moscow? One of thier special online farms maybe?


    "There is no playbook for what deadlines and timeframes were established here at the Kremlin."



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    I  may be able to speak more languages than you. Language skills are fine, but can't see the fundamentally obvious things that you not really that intelligent after all. It is obvious that something cannot be right with that JFK narrative magic bullet theory (Example) yet you still pretend there is nothing to see or hear or that your capacity for understanding is limited?. There are no answers to it or some mental blocks still trying to figure it out. It is the same in the UFO thread and others. .

      



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    "Your language skills are fine, but if you can't see the fundamentally obvious things then you are not really that intelligent after all."

    Poor effort...


    Also again, if you are a holocaust denier, which you are, then it's clear that your knowledge and understanding of history and politics is flawed or non-existant.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,751 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Nice wall of unintelligible waffle there, I see you didn't answer the question posed though 🧐😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Once again, narratives are flawed. I cannot understand how you can claim that Afghanistan was fighting the Taliban when the Taliban are Afghans themselves. If you call it a civil war, that is fine. Afghanistan's Western-backed government collapsed because it was held together by only a force of American troops.  

    As far as size is concerned, the Iraqi Army did not have a serious air force from the beginning. How would they stop the western allied forces? As a result, the outcome was very predictable and that is why the U.S. went in, knowing there was no modern Iraqi force on the ground to prevent them from fulfilling their objectives. Iraq's anti-aircraft system was quite inadequate for engaging cruise missiles and stealth bombers.  

    To be precise, Warsaw Pact countries invaded. With the Soviets in control,

    Who are the Russians? Who in charge at the Kremlin said this would be over in days? Present actual evidence rather than speculation  

    Since Western analysts have been promoting nonsense for over a month and now insist they have never said anything that I have already explained to you in the previous post. Again, it is an example of no self-reflection on your part regarding what they said about that operation in the east. The West stated that the operation was a failure, it was stalled, and the war was lost.  Watching what flag wave supporters in Ukraine say, I know what they have been saying for several weeks, even reading threads on current affairs, I find that similar logic has applied there.. They are in denial about the fact that Ukraine will not win. 

    Ukraine is doing nothing more than delaying the inevitable defeat while the United States is making it worse by giving Ukraine ridiculous amounts of military assistance. The amount is greater than what Russia spends on defense in one year. Only handing money to the US military-industrial complex to create more weapons (let's get rich from it), and even making war criminals like Bush and others appear on TV to discuss Ukraine, which is a parody,  

    Never pushed them out by force, that is untrue. Rather, they retreated. You are attempting to claim that the Ukrainian forces broke the lines of Russian defense in Kharviv, killing tens of thousands of Russians. Repositioned their forces as the taking of Kharviv wasn't part of the plan.. A line needed to be established to prevent Ukraine from approaching from the north and attacking others forces in the east. This narrative is not told in the West.

    The Russian army would have only 50,000 men at this stage, while the Ukrainian army would have 300,000 or more believed the kill rate stats here. That makes sense to you. It is likely that the Russians will use panda bears to kill Ukrainian military forces next? A number of Ukrainian troops claim that they lack support in video recordings, the morale among Ukrainian troops is low and morale among Russian troops is very high. There is no evidence of low morale, just a few random Russian soldiers complaining on video. This was woven into a larger narrative hoping that it would be true. 3-1 vehicle loss again no evidence of this all Ukraine stats you're using. At that rate be no tanks belonging to Russia here for offensive operations. .

    The politics of the conflict discussed before., 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's reality

    You have your own alternative view of reality, which you make up as you go along

    Thousands of historians, researchers, scholars doing decades of academic research on the Holocaust? Nah, you know more than all of them combined because you looked at google and youtube.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Good to know Elon Musk is a conspiracy theorist too? What a smart guy, he knows everything isn't as it seems. 




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,751 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    More Russian disinformation, straight from the Moscow farm. How much are paid to post Russian disinformation?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    I don't care if it's considered Holocaust denial. You guys have Ukrainian/Nazi denial going on so we're in the same boat on this. 

    The Jewish Holocaust was never a topic in any of my threads. Other posters disputed the numbers first. You're doing it on every thread anyway, deflection on alternative stuff is nothing new. My interest is whether history is really what it seems to be. My favorite topics to debate are UFOs, John F. Kennedy, 9/11, and the Holocaust against the Jewish people (denying facts about the Holocaust is considered racist because it's a sacred event). I don't think any significant changes have been made to the Holocaust event by changing the numbers or doubting how many people were gassed. You guys can't have that deep of a discussion anyway. 

     The Jewish population in Europe between 1933 and 1939 is the same, at 9.5 million. The period occurs when the Nazis are coming to power and Jews are emigrating to the United States, South America, and the Middle East. German Jews emigrated in almost two-thirds, according to official statistics that time.. It's simply impossible that there were 3.5 million Jews left in Europe at the end of World War II just based on German statistics, let alone the rest of Europe. There is no historical basis for the notion that 6 million Jews were murdered by gas or shootings. 

    It's weird when people say the real war didn't affect the Jewish population. Polish cities were heavily bombed, and a lot of Jews ended up in the Soviet occupation of the eastern part of Poland in 1940, because Poland had the largest Jewish population at the time. It's hard to get reliable numbers on how many Jews were killed here. As the soviet union was invaded, Poles and Jews all ran deeper into the country to escape. The six million figure is given as gospel but it's just not.

    Terrible things happened in Jewish Polish ghettos and Germans massacred Jews. I believe it all happened. 

    Did the Germans build gas chambers to kill Jews and other people? It's something I've thought about a lot. and changed my thinking on it. While the Germans didn't leave anything behind to prove their crimes, there's evidence they transported Jews on special trains to camps in the east and they never came back. Also you have the survivors who never saw their parents or siblings again. That's not something to ignore. Missing millions of people is the best proof that something sinister and evil happened at these camps.   

    I don't mind being called a holocaust denier since I didn't take part in anything or murder anyone. Well, at least I'm changing my opinion and way of thinking. You guys can't even accept the fact that Ukraine has a Nazi problem.

    The guy responsible for massacring Jewish people and Poles for the Nazis during WW2 s inside Ukraine was recently made a national hero. 

      wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

    Israel is well aware of that.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-of-ukrainian-nationalists-march-in-in-honor-of-nazi-collaborator/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Russia, JFK, UFOs, 9/11 splashed over multiple forums by one poster, almost as if we're adding fuel to the fire ;)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    What makes V Day the biggest event in Russia? There are 20 to 30 million people who got slaughtered by Nazis in Russia and you think they're going to let Ukraine create Neo Nazis battalions to fight them, get some perspective



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,751 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    "While the Germans didn't leave anything behind to prove their crimes, there's evidence they transported Jews on special trains to camps in the east and they never came back. Also you have the survivors who never saw their parents or siblings again. That's not something to ignore. Missing millions of people is the best proof that something sinister and evil happened at these camps.  "


    They didn't leave any evidence of their crimes behind?


    What about the survivors who testified that they were made to carry bodies out off the gas Chambers and put them into the furnaces? Are you actually claiming they are lying? And then you have the audacity to say you are not a Holocaust denier.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S



    It is a fact that no official documents have ever been found at these camps that provide us with complete information about what occurred within. As you mentioned, witnesses gave detailed descriptions of what took place. The holocaust is largely based on these accounts. You can deny that but just fact, by the end of the summer of 1944, the conditions at the camp deteriorated. The inmates weren't being fed and the disease was out of control, so many people had to be buried in the ground. The camp was operating for a long time, and witnesses are telling us this all happened, and whole families disappeared agreed. There are so many people missing that never turned up again when the Soviets liberated the camps, so the stories around gas chambers should be considered historical fact until proven otherwise,. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Germany ravaged Ukraine in WW2. Again you have a view of history distorted by your petty prejudices and bizarre world views.

    Ukraine aren't creating "Neo Nazi battalions", despite it's far-right associations in the beginning, Azov has fighters from many ethnicities, they were started by a Jew. They were ironically founded as a result of Russia's proxy invasion of Ukraine.

    They make up a fraction of 1% of Ukraine's entire military. You literally think they are "World War 2 Nazi's" because you can't stop swallowing Kremlin koolaid on the matter. You also have beliefs that "German Nazis" are behind everything from 9/11 to the assassination of JFK.

    Again, you live in a parallel universe where it's a literal "Nazi" division from 40's Germany and they will take over all of Ukraine and then attack Russia. This is actually what you think.

    Russia is invading Ukraine to take it over, if they were "just there" for the Nazis or whatever nonsense, they wouldn't be converting territory into roubles and Russian birth certificates. They are there to occupy whatever they can take. To colonise. Again, you don't want to understand or grasp this because you can't stop swallowing whatever Moscow spoon feeds you, it contradicts your already contradictory beliefs.

    Again, all this blends in with your Holocaust denial and bizarre history revisionism. But that's the level of this "debate"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Just your normal every day debate on the 9/11 conspiracy forum, slightly above the average



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Jews worked with Nazis during World War II to hunt down their own people. Stepan Bandera became a national hero in Ukraine. His job was to slaughter Jews for the Nazis. There is a Neo Nazi problem in Ukraine, according to the Jewish Lobby. This isn't some alternative worldview you like to claim. You're bloody blind, even the Azov wear Nazi emblems. What does that say about them? White nationalists are going to Ukraine to fight Russia, and the west is backing them up. There's no problem when Nazis get airtime on CNN and other networks? I must leave busy now doing other things today, but you will deny it forever.

    No matter how many people support them, these are military units, not citizens, and they have considerable influence over what goes on 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Lol brilliant, your knowledge of history is so warped and cherry-picked, you are regurgitating the same propaganda the Russian MOD used recently.

    This will really blow your mind, Sonderkommando were Jews who helped Nazi's liquidate other Jews, quick run off to google and look it up and put it through your filtering system

    There's no "Neo-Nazi" problem in Ukraine, the far-right have among the lowest political representation in Europe. It's an invention by Moscow.

    Russia, with it's illegal invasion based on lies, filtration camps, and soldiers systematically murdering and raping Ukrainians, regular threats on national TV to nuke the Baltics and Europe is a much larger concern than fantasy "Nazis" to everyone else but you



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    These are the kind of people whom you follow on Twitter, so it is not surprising that you do not learn much about Ukraine's neo-Nazi problem. Get your war news from these people. 


    On his arm, he's got a SS NAZI insignia. He's the commander. So don't act like it's no big deal. Now he's being portrayed as some war hero on western channels. Let's give Reinhard Heydrich a war hero salute too.  

    https://news.sky.com/video/ukraine-war-ukrainian-troops-trapped-in-azovstal-steel-plant-say-they-fighting-heavy-bloody-battle-12605702



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You just make up history and current affairs to fit bonkers narratives, which is why you have to post your views on Russia on a 9/11 forum.

    I don't see anyone calling for the invasion of Russia, but I regularly see Russian politicians and TV pundits calling for attacks on Poland, Baltic states and Europe. If only there was some sort of defensive alliance to protect against that type of aggression, hmmm.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    You're either that dumb or you're just having a mental block. Western allies keep sending weapons to Ukraine, but Russia has never declared war on them. So who's the aggressor here? Even if you think Russia had no right to invade Ukraine, western nations are intervening in a conflict that directly affects Russians.. You're going to get threats if you bring in weapons that harm their military.  



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Russia is the aggressor, they just annexed territory, invaded by proxy and now invaded Ukraine. 100% the aggressor.

    A brutal totalitarian state is attacking a peaceful democratic nation, a war of conquest based on lies. Other countries have made their own decisions to provide defensive arms to help Ukraine protect itself as they are perfectly entitled to. Russia can end all of this at any point by getting out of it's neighbour's territory.

    This drives you crazy because your world views involve blaming "the West" for pretty much everything.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    You probably don't want to remember that there was a revolution in Ukraine and the government was overthrown by neo nazis and armed groups? People in Crimea rose up and demanded independence. Ukraine wouldn't let them. Russia stepped in and let the people decide. There are Russians in Crimea, not Ukrainians. The Donbass and Lugansk people side with Russia as well, but Ukraine sent its army in to stop that. Don't believe in people choosing their own fate. Ukraine wanted war and got it in February 2022.  

    Stop coming on here pretending all of Ukraine was at peace, having happy time of it, that evil Empire Russia invaded out of nowhere for no reason at all, 


     



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Western foreign policy is not rosy, that's why. Why can the west get rid of foreign leaders and nothing happens? Destroyed Syria, Iraq, Libya, all pretty rich countries by regional standards, for what? Because the leader at the time didn't support you?

    There's a difference between what the west is doing and what Russia is doing. Russia protects people who need protection from another nation that's suppressing their culture. Has Putin ever invaded a country far away beyond its borders? As far as I know, never invaded any African or Middle Eastern country. Putin is not obsessed with conquering the west, he just wants friendly east countries to be friendly with his country. He's not like a Hitler at all, seeking global control, thats case only with the United States and UK.. 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,751 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Is it an hourly pay rate or paid per post? Do you get a medal for posting all this pro-Russian propaganda?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    The Russian military is doing the right thing and stripping these guys who surrendered in Mariupol. Videos on the internet show the soldiers with tattoos of Nazi symbols on their bodies. Here are two guys' tattoos who just left Azovstal and there are way too many on other men same **** to bother showing.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,751 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I'm sorry, that's 2 pictures that could have been taken anywhere at any time, where's the proof that these are Ukrainian soldiers and taken recently?


    It's telling that you don't deny you are posting from Moscow and are paid to post though. For someone who has accused others of being paid posters I would have thought you would have put that fire out at the first opportunity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Lol, it wasn't a revolution, it was a "US backed coup" remember? I have to remind you of your old conspiracy theories because you seem to forget them and mix them up. Always an annoying side effect of creative writing.

    No one in Crimea "rose up", the Russians just arrived and annexed the country then held one of their fake referendums(tm).

    It's always entertaining to watch you warp history to match your Clare Daly/Alex Jones style beliefs.

    Ukraine was a relatively fine until Russia started poisoning their candidates, using others as puppets, annexing their territory and taking over a bunch of extremists who actually had no desire to join Russia, in order to start a war with Ukraine in the East. Could almost swear that Putin just wanted to, you know, take over the country. Wanted to turn it into Russia. Oh hey presto, in occupied Ukraine they are ripping up Ukrainian road signs and replacing them with Russian ones. Odd how exactly what was predicted is happening. Old fashioned brutal colonialism.

    If only there was a defensive organisation that nations could freely chose to join to protect them against pressure from Putin's megalomaniac obsessions. Moldova is thanking their lucky stars that Ukraine has held on, because they are next on the chopping block, next to be absorbed into Putin's empire.

    Speaking of which, amazing isn't it, year by year, Putin's empire seems to keep growing. Transnistria, N Georgia, Crimea, Donbas, now Ukraine. Belarus is on the list too, but the lapdog there is playing ball so they get to keep up the pretense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Oh look, Russian Nazi's. Being awarded a medal no less. Since you are so "concerned" about Nazi's, I suggest you will be very worried about this

    And NeoNazi's in the Wagner group

    Does this information support your insane world views? If yes, it's true. If no, attack it :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol cheerful really can't help but to show off his holocaust denial.

    It's like he's bursting to talk about it but he knows that will get him banned and make him a pariah even among other theorists.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Again, this is a lack of self-awareness. The Ukraine was neutral and had good ties with the West until it underwent a pro-western revolution, and the government, backed by the USA, started acting aggressively against Russia. Everything might have been different if this new government had reestablished relations with Russia after a coup. Plus, you ignore that the majority of Crimea's population is Russian.

    This is like saying that most loyalist protestants (Crimeans) want a united Ireland (stay with Ukraine) but the UK (Russia) is stopping it? It doesn't make sense at all, but a warped view probably does. Those with thick skulls don't see the residents of Crimea don't want anything to do with Ukraine as long as the ruling party is hostile.

    Ignore history and forget that Putin negotiated the Minsk agreements and the ceasefire with the west and Ukraine. President Putin said Donbas and Lugansk should be part of Ukraine, but with some autonomy. Ukraine current government don't respect the agreements signed, and just want war when Ukraine keeps shelling the area and threatening to retake it. To get the west to bargain and solve the Ukraine problem forever, Putin mobilized forces, but they only gave him threats and told him if he invaded he would suffer. The discrepancy in leadership and a weak west led to Russia invading because it couldn't trust the west to fulfill its promises anymore about Ukraine..

    It's interesting how all these tiny states are close to Russia. All Putin cares about is security for his country, and not having to worry about a military alliance getting closer to them and threatening them. 



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    I've seen the videos there real and you see the same place they surrendered as shown on western TV. West media doesn't show Russian soldiers asking them to take off their clothes because it destroys the narrative that no Nazis are fighting there.

    I doubt Russia would care to spend all of this time on a fringe part of the site to debate just a few people. Think about it. If we have a different view of what's going on in Ukraine, it's most likely that we're all working for Moscow then? Okay, whatever.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    This dude's from the DPR born in Ukraine. I don't think he's from Russia. He probably got told to get rid of it by his superiors after that.

    Try to portray that as a similar thing to Ukraine forming entire battalions of neo nazis to fight Russia. Some single guys in Russia and one in DPR are white nationalists, find here. Azovtal defended by Neo Nazis, and their uniforms have Waffen SS badges and stuff. Don't support them because you believe Ukraine is right. No problem if you wanna support the normal soldiers of Ukraine!.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I've never met a Holocaust denier / minimizer that has an IQ that even approaches celsius boiling point, so your opaque flex that you're some sort of polyglot who reads Goethe in its original German or Gogol in Russian is a very very lame attempt at saving face and worthy of mockery.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,751 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Your own post earlier in the thread.


    ""There is no playbook for what deadlines and timeframes were established here at the Kremlin.""


    Here at the Kremlin, the Kremlin is in Moscow. Going by your OWN words you are posting from Moscow, you are a Russian disinformation poster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Spend your time with people who share your worldview, instead of replying to me. Enough posters already to deal with. 



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Regrettably for you, you share a world (and indeed a message board platform) with people who are both free and willing to expose your nonsense for what it is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    In a forum that shares your worldview, that's not surprising. On the internet, I can go somewhere else and find more people who agree with me. Look at the ban list for the Ukraine thread to see how boards censor opinions too. It was a page long with a lot of opinions, but they stopped it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    You were in good company of re-reg trolls, cranks, the deluded and lost on that ban list

    One of the tragedies of the internet. All of the world's information and knowledge at your fingertips - you could use it to educate yourself and cultivate depth of knowledge, but you choose to find the dark corners of anti-Semitism and conspiracy theory and roll around in that filth. And sadder still, you try to convince yourself you know something others don't, and play the mourning fiddle for yourself that you're being censored you poor divil. Deeply sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Conspiracy theorists like the idea of being banned cause it let's them play up being a rebel with dangerous ideas. They never consider it might be vmbecause they just aren't very good at having adult discussions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,751 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    So you admit that you are a paid pro-Russian troll, thanks for clarification


    Now everyone knows not to take you seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Like any rational sovereign country they wanted more ties with the prosperous EU (and less with corruption addled Russia)

    That was a big no-no for the empire builder next door. So they got annexed, invaded and fully invaded.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Strange isn't it. You are utterly hysterical about Nazi's on one side, completely make excuses for any on the other.



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