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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    What gives Broken? - you're only back on the thread and you seem to want others to only dicuss what you say should be discussed? That several times you've had a go at posters for discussing Barryroe now. Tf? Its really simple - If anyone doesn’t like the discussion- no one is forcing them to participate.

    As to the return to what is a very valid topic in this thread - the new solar farm scheme here wasn't discussed in relation to what happened in Spain, because the new Irish solar farm scheme has just been rolled out and gives a similar guarantee to the Spanish one over a fixed period. Are you seriously trying to argue because the scheme is an "Irish" one nothing can go wrong and investors can't be stung? Really?



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    we have not yet invested in our power needs, multiples of billions is required immediately, but it may never happen!

    Are you sure about that?

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    Billions have been invested globally over the last decade in Renewable energy generation. Much of which is still heavily subsidised it and propped up with non renewable energy sources such as gas because unfortunately Renewable energy generation remains an unreliable means of energy generation.

    In Ireland- outside the investments of billions of Euro by private equity firms in renewable energy, every household in the country pays an annual public service levy which is money collected from electricity customers and primarily used by the ESB and other suppliers to cover the costs of generating renewable energy

    Unlike those paying the Public Service Levy - those investing privately in these projects recieve a guaranteed income on all electricity generated irrespective of demand. Its a helluva way of making money, if you've got the money to invest in the first place

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    Some might not be aware but the PSO levy will be abolished in Oct




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  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭therapist3


    If you willfully ignore the law to favour your mates the green ideologues and discriminate against another party then that is absolutely corruption

    You don't have to take money to be rotten or bestow advantage on your friends



  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭therapist3


    Well then start advocating for gas and nuclear because without those in our future they'll be a hard lapse back to coal and it'll have been the green ideologues who through their ignorance and hatefulness that will have destroyed the planet



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Abolished? Nope.

    Recent wording of the current changes detail that the there will be a reduction to zero of the Public Service Obligation (PSO) levy on electricity bills, because of the soaring energy prices.

    This would indicate the change is temporary in nature. The reduction won't kick in until October 2022.

    For 2020-2021 alone the public service levy collected approx €393.13 million from electricity customers in Ireland. The public service levy has been in place since 2001.

    I'll let you do the maths of how much has been paid by every man, woman and child in this state for the last 20 years under the public service levy alone and towards investing in renewable energy generation and yet bizarrely electricity costs are rising regardless with diesel generators now being planned for to ensure stability of supply.



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    Good to see the shenanigans of some anti-environmental politicians getting called out and flagged to the EU.

    A ridiculous situation that should never have been allowed to happen if the appropriate controls and policies had been followed from the start.

    The Derrybrien saga has been a blight for years and good riddance.

    The sooner planning applications are held to the highest standards for the protection of people and the environment, the better, regardless of what the application is for.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭therapist3


    No, a coherent explanation

    When Ryan approves oil and gas leases and licenses as he should then he will shown balance, each day delated till then is more evidence of his double dealing behaviour



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    Still no evidence of your claim of corruption though, just more ranting.

    No problem with you ranting though, lash ahead, but don't pretend it to be anything other than what it is.

    By all means feel free to post any evidence you have to back up your claim that the Minister is corrupt.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    nuclear is a dead duck, it won't be happening in ireland due to the disproportionate costs involved.

    for the cost of nuclear you could have every other source acting as a single source to power the country all backing each other up, so you could use all gas and then all coal as a backup and all pete and all oil as backups to the backups etc.

    time to forget it and move on.

    gas is already happening, there won't be a full scale return to coal and coal use will die out in the medium term as it's actually inefficient.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    he can't approve or not approve anything, that is down to the department.

    ultimately you haven't any evidence that ryan is corrupt, because he isn't.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Have you ever heard of a political mandate?

    The green party were elected on a platform of ending exploration for Oil and Gas. It's also government policy to transition away from gas and no part of our climate action policy involves more drilling for more oil or gas in Irish waters.

    Gas is a transition fuel and Moffatt is our source until we don't need it anymore

    It is not corruption if a green party politician who is the minister for the environment doesn't jump through hoops to help a private company explore for oil and gas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I don't think the PSO is needed anymore. Renewables are so economically attractive with these high gas prices that they are being built as fast as the red tape allows

    If Ireland magically could get offshore wind through our planning system immediately we could have multiple GWs of offshore wind capacity installed by 2025.

    The bottleneck now is not the lack of investment, its the slow planning process



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    A mandate from 7% of the electorate and opinion polls now showing 2% is not much of a mandate. I find it bizarre that someone talks about political mandates with those percentages, yet believes it`s fine and dandy to ignore mandatory E.U.directives. But then when it comes to E.U. policy the Irish Green party are happy for us to be a rogue nation, making it up as they go along.

    Ryan can be a bit sleepy, but even for him there is no excuse for his stonewalling of Barryroe for almost a year now. He is not a Minister for just the Green Party but he is acting as if he is. It is disgraceful behaviour



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo



    Unfortunately Derrybriem certainly is not the only "green" energy windfarm development in the country, erected to provide renewable electricity which has caused significant environmental degradation.

    Good to see that it's now being recognised that not everything is unicorns and rainbows, when it comes to renewables. Hopefully the green party et al might stop to think about these type of problems before insisting that everything to do with green energy generation is "good" and can't/shouldn't be criticised and or should be fast tracked through the planning system.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The average household electricity bill in Ireland is now 1509 euro. Minus that PSO levy would leave it at 1451 euro.

    Problem is that the reduction in VAT on electricity is going. The present 9% rate is going back to 13.5% in October as well, so that 1451 euro then becomes 1512.Two euro more than now. That is not a help with energy costs. It`s just swings and roundabouts.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If you don't like democracy then what else do you suggest?



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I genuinely don't know what you mean by this. My point is that the ability to build infrastructure is bring restrained by the capacity to review and approve/deny said infrastructure

    I don't think we should reduce Oversight. I think we should put better systems in place to improve efficiency in the planning process



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Renewables are certainly economically attractive to private energy companies, not so much to the ordinary private citizen who is providing them with obscene profits under the Marginal Pricing Policy. If greens are interested in lowering energy prices then they should be calling for the abolishing of that pricing policy.

    With the VAT rate due to return to 13.5% in October abolishing the PSO is not going to make a red cent difference to household electricity charges. If the best a Minister for energy can come up with to reduce electricity charges is this PSO swings and roundabouts, it really is a p*ss poor effort.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The greens are not primarily focused on energy prices, because in the long term current energy prices are a flash in the pan.

    The long game is to support policies aimed to rapidly decarbonise using fiscal instruments to smooth the transition for households



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I doubt the Irish Green`s antics of attempting to ban LNG or stonewalling on Barryroe from their 7% of the popular vote will ever be used as a future good example of democracy in action.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I agree, because apart from you, the licencees and a few other pro fossil fuel heads, nobody cares about ballyroe

    Irelands energy security is covered by Moffat

    Our long term strategic interest is in becoming a net energy exporter through offshore wind generation



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    3C is where we are going. We need faster transition



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Countries who refuse to tackle climate change will be the pariah states when these changes become reality.

    The people who say 'we're too small to make a difference'

    We're big enough to be judged as guilty by future generations



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Ireland’s energy security is covered by Moffat

    I'm not sure how anyone could be uninformed regarding the significant problems in relation to security of supply and the Moffat pipeline

    The Energy Regulator has already detailed that the UK gas supply arrangements from Britain are not secure.

    This has been known about for several years now.

    The Barryroe oil and gas field is part of Ireland’s valuable natural gas reserves which will help provide essential non renewable energy generation in the period of transition. It's importance is to the country as a whole, not those you chose to throw shite at by name calling

    Much of Europe is already at a point with regard to renewables, not there is any shortage of renewable infrastructure to generate electricity. Rather that renewable energy generation is unreliable at this point in time as has happened this winter right across Europe when there were lengthy periods with little or no wind.

    The challenge is dealing with those issues whilst using our own natural resources and building the necessary LNG facilities to support Irelands current renewable energy policies



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