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Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Charrychar


    Afghanistan doesn’t ring a bell no? Or do you consider Afghanistan a successful state? The posters on here really make me laugh.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,694 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl



    Afghanistan is an utterly terrible example and more or less the exact opposite of what is happening in Ukraine. It collapsed quite quickly in the face of invasion and what followed was an insurgency. The comparison just highlights the difference we see in Ukraine and that your assertion is utter nonsense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Charrychar


    This is just getting funny, the Afghans had next to nothing to defend themselves with. Ukraine has one of the most well equipped armies in the world. The Afghans fought both the SOviets and Americans and won.

    Vietnam was also known as a failed state and they handed it to the Americans and they were far less equipped than the almighty UKranians



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,503 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Mod note:

    Charrychar, please post constructively. Simply repeating that Ukraine is a failed state, and throwing out random references to lend support to same, is not debate



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,536 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    When is the last time the US invaded anywhere? There has been virtually nothing in the last seven or eight years. It's a line pushed all the time by the Putin bots on social media but they (US) have been largely non interventionist in the last decade)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Charrychar


    No the last few years they’ve just been letting other countries do their dirty work, The United States has disgusted many by its support for a Saudi-led coalition that has contributed to a horrific war, political instability, and the world’s worst humanitarian crisis in Yemen and other countries.

    Peoples over dramatic descriptions of what Putin is doing in Ukraine is an accurate description of what our allies are doing in Yemen.

    But sure don’t worry about all that nasty stuff in Yemen, Uncle Sam tells us Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud is now a great guy because he now allows women to drive!!!

    Post edited by Charrychar on


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,536 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There's nothing over dramatic about what is happening in Ukraine. Six to seven million refugees have fled the country westwards - that is the biggest displacement of refugees since WW2.



  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Charrychar


    Ukrainians have been desperately trying to get out of Ukraine for decades now, Ukraine is the number one hotspot for mail order brides in the whole world. Even before the outbreak of conflict in eastern Ukraine in 2014 Ukraine had the largest diaspora in the whole world, is it really surprising now that the rest of Europe is offering them free houses and money that Ukranians are deciding to up and leave?

    There have been 3000 civilians killed in the war in Ukraine according to the UN and the real figure is probably far lower but for arguments sake let’s just take those figures at face value. 3000 civilians dead in a population of 50 million would mean that even Northern Ireland was a more dangerous place for civilians during certain years of the troubles than Ukraine is now.

    These facts are miles away from the myth that Putin is ruthlessly trying to bomb as many civilians as he possibly can.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,694 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There have been 3000 civilians killed in the war in Ukraine according to the UN and the real figure is probably far lower

    All evidence would suggest that more than 3,000 civilians have been executed by the Russians, never mind killed in the process of them levelling towns and cities all over Ukraine. "probably far lower" 🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,480 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    This is what the report actually says, which you would know if you read it. Which you must have done to know the 3000 figure... Anybody who posts that the civilian casualties are far lower is living in fantasy land. Your post is completely dishonest deliberate disinformation.

    OHCHR believes that the actual figures are considerably higher, as the receipt of information from some locations where intense hostilities have been going on has been delayed and many reports are still pending corroboration. This concerns, for example, Mariupol (Donetsk region), Izium (Kharkiv region), and Popasna (Luhansk region), where there are allegations of numerous civilian casualties.

    And huge numbers of Russians have left the country since the start of this illegal war of occupation;

    So the lies have been shown up and the rest of the post is drivel not worth dignifying with a response.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,930 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    You are attempting to diminish the facts about an invasion in one part of the world because of your partisan dislike of countries in other parts of the world.

    They aren't mututally exclusive, you realise that? You can criticise multiple situations.

    You don't have to go through all these silly mental gymnastics trying to downplay the invasion of Ukraine or validate it just because you have strong emotional feelings against the US/West/whatever.

    Not to mention countries aren't people, they are made up of different administrations.

    Also, no one is sorry that the current war, which is the largest since WW2 and genuinely threatens world peace is hogging the limelight from your cherry-picked conflicts you are "concerned" about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Charrychar


    Look guys, I get it. This is a horrible war and it’s absolutely disgraceful what is going on. I have sympathy for all those who died during this war but we cannot put the blame solely on Russia. We cannot forget that Ukraine is a failed state. There are numerous factors that have contributed to this war.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,694 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    we cannot put the blame solely on Russia

    Sure we can. They are the ones who invaded another country. They weren't forced to do any of this.

    What the US did wherever and whenever makes no difference to that.

    100% Russia's fault that the invasion has happened and every single death, every act of depravity and every life ruined continues to be 100% Russia's fault.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,930 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The Kremlin is 100% responsible for this war of choice. They are killing Ukrainians in order to steal their land, absorb them into Russian and erase their identity. The Russians are burning Ukrainian books, tearing down Ukrainian symbols from war memorials, pulling up road signs written in Ukrainian and replacing them with Russian signs, stealing Ukrainian grain and selling it to foreign countries, replacing the Hryvnia with the Rouble in occupied territory.

    Every single death from this, Ukrainian or Russian, is 100% the responsibility of the Putin regime. Who can choose to end this, just as they chose to start it.

    The scapegoating and apologism is as bad as direct support for the war.



  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Charrychar


    100% is a bit of an exaggeration, Ukrainian neo nazi organizations were the main groups behind destabilizing the country in the first place.

    The democratically voted leader of Ukraine was ousted illegally under Ukranian law in 2013 with western backed puppets taking their place which made many people in Eastern Ukraine see Ukraine as a joke and from then they began to fight for freedom against the Ukrainian regime.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,272 ✭✭✭fash


    Quite: the Ukrainian economy & population was always too large to become a Russian dependency (Russia doesn't have the petro-wealth to buy its elites out).

    There internal pressure to align with the EU to become competitive & wealthy was always too great.


    As regards Ukrainian society, they've dealt with 15 years of active Russian hybrid warfare seeking to corrupt & destroy their democracy by literally any means necessary - and yet they still stand.



  • Registered Users Posts: 925 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Some definitions of a failed state. Total corruption; One man and his cronies robbing the nation blind. An army so rotten with corruption that officers sell off rations, equipment and electronics to gangsters for kickbacks. Flunkies promoted and given preferment over the competent. The media all speaking with one voice and any voice to the contrary silenced. Inconvenient people having ''accidents''. A lack of research and innovation. Young men from ethnic minorities and underdeveloped regions used as cannon fodder. Religious leaders subservient to power and parroting it's lies. A police and judiciary under the control of one man. A secret security service with power over everybody in a position of great influence. The widespread use of torture, maltreatment and illegalities by the security services. People dragged before the courts for the slightest sign of open dissent. Hundreds of thousands of the country's best and brightest fleeing the country to seek their futures elsewhere.

    Charrychar2:42 pm

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119107352#Comment_119107352

    Afghanistan doesn’t ring a bell no? Or do you consider Afghanistan a successful state?

    Afghanistan has been a failed state since the mid seventies and it still is. All the Taliban have achieved with the departure of the Americans is a return to the dark ages and the resumption of a vicious struggle against an enemy even more cruel and backward than they are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Ukraine is a poor country. It looks like Beverly Hills to most Russians.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,519 ✭✭✭wassie




  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Charrychar


    Any reliable sources that a Russian airstrike caused all these deaths? Plenty of propaganda coming from this war both Russian, Ukrainian and Western it’s hard to get to the facts.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Ah, both sides is it? Nah, that card can’t be played. Russia demolished much of Mariupol. The blood is on their hands. No one forced them to invade a peaceful neighbour that they had signed agreements with.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,904 ✭✭✭✭josip


    It IS possible that there was a mass mushroom poisoning. Unlikely, but possible.

    What do you think caused all those deaths?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭dzer2


    **** he/she is finding all the threads



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,519 ✭✭✭wassie




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,930 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Russia is responsible for those deaths, that's 100%.

    As for which specific unit caused the building to collapse? Considering the Russian military shelled and bombed the city for over 2 and a half months, the building collapse itself could have been due to an artillery strike, and aircraft strike or culmination. Not that you are the slightest bit interested in the details, only in projecting fringe views via disingenuous "questions".



  • Registered Users Posts: 213 ✭✭bobowen


    You're not seriously using Oryx as a source are you? They are run by the guy who also works for Bellingcat. The bellingcat that is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy. Its pure US/UK propaganda.

    The truth is that the Ukrainian army is collapsing as we speak. There are videos of whole battalions of the UAF around Severodonetsk on telegram pleading with Zelensky to either give them the support and weapons they were promised 2 weeks ago or allow them to retreat so as not to die for no reason other than to pretend to the western media that they are still in the battle for Donbass.

    The Russians are in the process if encircling about 10 to 15 thousand of them in the region. The truth is starting to seep through the western narrative.

    Ignore the nonsense coming out of biased sources like Oryx. For your own reputations sake.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,930 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The Oryx vehicles and equipment information is based on visually confirmed info (photographs/video), all of which are linked. You can confirm them yourself. Also recent documents captured from Russians with vehicle losses figures confirm that the info on Oryx is below the Russian totals (by around 20%)

    Another fresh account and another ridiculous post



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,519 ✭✭✭wassie




  • Registered Users Posts: 213 ✭✭bobowen


    Mariupol has always been pro Russian. Look it up. The Asov battalion used the poor residents as human shields in their buildings, kept them in basements for weeks and shot at them when they tried to leave because they were pro Russian and they were expendable.

    Mariupol will never go back to the Ukrainians after 8 years of Asov mafia style abuse.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,519 ✭✭✭wassie


    So answer me this Re-reg, do you guys get paid per post or is it an hourly rate kinda thing?



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