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SF activist with 23 previous convictions is jailed for robbing pensioner

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Welfare classes? You don't like the less well off, we get it. You equate people who need state aid to criminals and scumbags. Everything you like or don't like about 'the welfare classes" would be following the design of successive FF/FG governments.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The autolock is on quasqais with ever.....surely its to be taken as a given...unlike weird cliches about weathers orginals?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,272 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Interesting take.

    Average punter: "What is your opinion on a man who was convicted for 12 years for torturing an innocent man - reduced to 8 years by the Court of Appeal - and who is due to be tried in relation to a murder"

    SF answer: "eh, The courts. The courts are bad. Yeah, we shouldn't have special courts"


    Average punter: "but what about his crimes. Would you be able to say he might not be a very nice man?"

    SF answer: "eh- mainstream media......anti-SF agenda"


    Average punter: "No, I'm asking if you think he is a good man or a bad man. I can't make it any simpler. Do you think he did wrong"

    SF answer: "Paging HQ. feck no. They havent' told me what to think on this one. panic panic panic. Eh eh eh. Charlie Haughey. Something about punts back in the 1980s. Leo Veradkar did something bad once as well - eh eh eh. "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,272 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Tis terrible alright Brucie. Imagine the cheek of people assuming that this gentleman is a criminal. The cheek of them. And basing that prejudicial stereotype purely on the mere fact that he is a convicted criminal. Oh the humanity.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Correct if im wrong,but is this not another example of yous losing touch with reality as sf support the scc?


    Do you not feel silly posting such rubbish?....like theres 4 to 5 paragraphs of a really weird,entirely unreadable rant,built entirely upon your poor grasp of the subject matter regarding fact sf support the scc


    Do you shout at paintings,by any chance?


    If you wish to discuss further the subject matter you have raised,im.happy to do so,entirely within remits of facts and logic...not rants built upon imagainry postions,its weird mate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,272 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Utter tripe Blaaz

    They dropped their outright opposition to it in principle 6 months ago:


    There is a big difference between dropping outright opposition to something and supporting it. Let me give you another example to explain. Let's suppose SF drop, for example, outright opposition to the annual Orange Order march at Drumcree, and accept that there are circumstances in which marches can take place, would that mean that Mary Lou is a Orange Order supporter?



    The only rubbish getting posted here is the usual suspects looking for some imaginary justification for a 34 year old to attack and rob a 78 year old man. And that is only because he has a SF badge. It doesn't matter that he has a long list of previous convictions. He has that badge and must be defended at all costs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭touts


    Yes a sizable chunk of their membership may be made up of people with a dubious legal past but at the end of the day Sinn Fein have a secret plan to solve [Insert whatever you are concerned about here] and better still they will make someone else pay for it all for you. Just vote for them and they will make all your problems disappear.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Looks to me,they support it,and yous are splitting hairs tbh (shouldnt imo,its outdated and needs gone)

    I have never seen,nor heard an offial sf position around drumcree,outside of representing local concerns,so its a silly comparison to make imo



    I havnt seen a single poster,justifying this attack??,this is another example (i make it 5 in last dozen posts)of yous losing plot and touch with reality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,272 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I'll invite you to give your opinion on the man Blaaz.


    I wonder if it will be a repeat of Dowdall - when I asked you what you thought about him you bitched about the courts.


    And now we hear that SF are fervent supporters of the SCC. Despite there being vocal opposition within their party at the changing of the party line of being vehemently against it in all circumstances only 6 months ago - must be another great example of orders coming down telling the plebs how to think.



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  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dunno enough about the man,and unlike yous,have little interest in commenting with a deficit of knowledge.....but nothing good comes out of south kk,only the road to waterford


    But i know enough about drugs,to know 90% of issues caused could be stopped in morning,if the government went in and decriminalised possession for personal use,its help not hassle them.people need......this looks to me,to be among biggest issues facing state,which every party (incl sf) are too useless to grasp


    Yous knowledge of how sf operates on a policy level is shocking poor,they dont implement from top down,as its grassroots up organised (similar to gaa),the canditdate selection to best my knowledge operates from guidence topdown....people in ireland simply dont accept top-down rule,hence how turf cutting,went from dying out,to more being harvested for homeuse this year than last 30 years



  • Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This sort of stuff is relatively minor tbh.

    It was only back in 2005 that an election agent for Aengus Ó Snodaigh was found with a balaclava and the names of 20 FG TDs' and Senators' in the boot of his car. It was dismissed in An Phoblacht at the time as being the work of Free State forces, and the "industrial military complex".

    Never forget that there's a sitting TD linked to the murder of at least 50 people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    really shows you the mentality that the shinnerbots here can react to this , POS party worker acts like a POS while working for the party but its nothing to do with the party,

    is like a cult of something,

    no half decent person would work with ye if god forbid ye got in to power. thankfully stuff like this reminds people what ye are



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Being honest dessie ellis "linked" incldes luis blanco in spain,the man groomed to replace franco....the linking there,the indo rely on is even weaker than the sean hoey case which was laughed out in belfast



    I possibly have poblacht from 2005,i cant imagine the words industrial military complex used as it deosnt exist here?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Kind of concerning that SF have people working for them who are not vetted.



  • Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Blaaz, you ain't nothing without all the copies of the Starry Plow.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    In with the completely made up not related to my point, remark. Good man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    This is a bit of a strange mentality. On the one hand you are lumping everyone into some of hive mind anti shinner conspiracy group. On the other you are telling people to think for themselves.

    Its very very odd. On the one hand you are strictly putting people only into a pro SF or anti SF box. On the other hand you are telling people they dont have to be in a box.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    Oh, they’re vetted all right 😬

    …to quote Spock “It’s life Jim but not as we know it”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,325 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I can't stand SF. I really dislike them. I'll also point out that I can't stand FF or FG. I always need to say that when I criticize either of them. If you criticize FF or FG, you're a sf shill. And if you criticize SF, then you're a FF/FG shill.


    Having said that, while I think there are many, many reasons for not voting for SF, The actions of this guy isn't one of them. Every party will have the occasional member who's a scumbag.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 296 ✭✭Ham_Sandwich


    theres criminals in all parties ffs this is just another SF smear tactic well it's not going to work Sinn Fein are going to look after us once we get them into goverment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    Was the most troubling detail from that post really the poster's possible misremembering of the terminology used, rather than a SF election agent driving around with "a balaclava and the names of 20 FG TDs' and Senators' in the boot of his car"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,400 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Pretty much sums up the level of debate.

    Quite disgusting to see some posters trying to whitewash this crime away with references to the 1980s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    It is the SF supporter way. Concentrate on a minor detail and ignore the criminality of its members.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,272 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Well the posters don't know enough to form the opinion that he might not be a very nice man. You can hardly blame them, sure all they know is that he attacked a 78 year old man and also that:

    The accused's criminal record had previous 10 convictions under the Road Traffic Act, one for assault, three public order offences, four drugs charges, and possessing a weapon, failing to appear in court and criminal damage.

    ya know, like the same kind of thing that your average decent person has on their record. Who on here doesn't have a few public order offences and a few drugs charges, coupled with a charge for possessing a weapon?


    You may have also missed, but an invitation from myself to another poster to give their opinion on an ex-SF councillor convicted of torturing a man, and facing charges of alleged murder, was sidestepped with something to the effect that "the politicians strategy on drugs is wrong"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    Sweet Jesús i hope that's satire or something



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    Where anywhere have i lumped anyone,into being anti-shinner conspiracy??.....people are free to like/dislike any party (it really deosnt matter),but i do feel nonsense and ill informed lies are worthy of qs



    Easy enough accuse me of putting people into a box,when it simply isnt the case



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,400 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is difficult to see other boxes from the inside of one that has no windows on the rest of the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Was great gas the other day. A lad who would be well know for his pro government stance, criticised government policy and was referred to as a shinner.

    Its easier to dismiss criticism when you can tie the critic to a flawed organisation. It dodges the criticism though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Referrring to anyone who questioned as "Yous" - lumping everyone who had a different opinion into you into 1 hive mind - i.e. a box

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Bizarre. SF is an extremely top down party - thats why about 20 Councillors left them in 2017/2018.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Should we consider having some sort of 23-strikes-and-you're-out-rule for scumbags or would that be too harsh

    If he was behaving like that in West Belfast up until the early 2000s some community activists/good republicans would have taken his kneecaps clean off. Now he is the good republican 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Charrychar


    Sure the old bailey bomber and mastermind of the biggest prison escape in Europe since WW2 Gerry Kelly is minister for justice or something similar now in the North so I wouldn’t put it past the shinners.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Plenty of ex army in politics.

    We had the leader of a band of killers, who shot unarmed civilians dead, invited over for tea and handshakes recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,400 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    No, he sits on the Police Board. Poacher turned Gamekeeper.

    A real crony appointment too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,400 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Unfortunately, it is more likely that he would have been doing the kneecapping of others. Many many of those kneecapped were innocent, or only guilty of some petty crimes.

    The bigger criminals made sure that they got in with the PIRA and SF in order to be protected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    you should try saying that to some one who was actually in the Irish Army,

    when you wake up let us know how you got on 😂🤣😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Are you claiming members of the Irish army are criminals? Speak for yourself.

    The IRA was considered an army by its membership and supporters.

    As regards the faux moralistic, we had the leader of a band of killers who shot unarmed civilians dead over for a tour recently.

    People need to be realistic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    So just the latest in a long line of criminal linked with Sinn Fein, yet we kept getting told to ignore the past

    The concern is if they get into government how many people will die before we can get them back out again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    lol , just try it and see bruice ,

    im not going to lower myself to discussion with you today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Who's telling you to ignore the past?

    Probably less than died under this and the last government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,358 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay



    The IRA was considered an army by its membership and supporters.

    Would you think it was considered a terrorist organization for non members or supporters?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Yes I would. So what? People leave the military for politics. My only comment. I'm personally delighted the IRA ceased operations and turned to politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Did you see covid in Northern Ireland?

    Anyway, let’s keep on topic with Sinn Gein and criminals, one week it’s councillor water boarding people, next week it is this

    Then of course we have the whole Kinahan extended family working in Sinn Fein, Plus all the other links

    Very troubling times for law abiding people in ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Nah, you brought in sf up north and criminality in government.

    Are they involved in crime or are you just throwing **** to see what sticks?

    I'm aware their are former IRA. If you know of any active criminals do dish?

    Up the 'RA? So what? Half the party were probably members.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Why would I need to throw to see if it sticks? All the criminals including this one are all available, even little waterboard boy. You keep on defending these criminals but as a law abiding citizen of ireland I think I should be allowed have concerns like others without you trying to tell me to shut up


    you can make excuses for criminal, don’t expect others won’t



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Stop telling porkies. Who am I defending? So you've no list of active criminals in SF you are just throwing **** to see if it sticks.

    Have all the concerns you like.

    Who am I making excuses for? More made up yarnage .

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