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Texas School shooting 19 children and 2 adults murdered

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    #92
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110022#Comment_119110022

    And here's the polling to suggest that

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx



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    #93
    VillaMad
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    https://twitter.com/marthakelner/status/1529239913618628608
    https://twitter.com/marthakelner/status/1529240746833981440

    Reported to be 18 children and 3 adults dead now.



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    #94
    dublinman1990
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    Senator Roland Gutierrez has given unconfirmed reports from a briefing with a Texas Ranger to Erin Burnett on CNN that 18 children & 3 adults have now been killed in the school shooting at Uvalde today. He also said that the perp had shot his grandmother before he did the school shooting in Uvalde.

    Fucking hell. This is going to become a tragedy that nearly equals Sandy Hook or it could possibly exceed it.



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    #95
    Faugheen
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110023#Comment_119110023

    You know what? I'm just going to leave it there because you're just rambling and deflecting even more.

    You're not a mod. Stop telling people what they can and can't discuss based on what you want. End of. Have at it. Talk to you later.



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    #96
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119109946#Comment_119109946

    In any case, even if, somehow, the 2nd Amendment was repealed or re-interpreted, there are other problems. Texas State Constitution, Art 1 S 23 states "Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defence of himself or the State" (And has said so since 1876). And even if you could change the State Constitution as well as solve the federal 2A problem, the next problem is 'how do we remove all the guns we have?" You can't go around searching houses or people in case they have a weapon they failed to disclose, the 4th Amendment is even less likely to be revoked than the 2nd. We have to live with the fact that there are guns. Solutions have to focus on other factors.

    It occured to me that AFAIK you have to be 21+ in Texas for a lot of those rights. The killer was 18.

    https://guides.sll.texas.gov/gun-laws/carry-of-firearms

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    #97
    Wisesmurf
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    Do you think that when the forefathers were writing up the second ammendment they were referring to automatic weapons.

    This will never change in the US. Absolute shame. The republicans are in bed with the bible bashers and gun lobby.

    America is murdering its own children.



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    #98
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110047#Comment_119110047

    I'm not and I didn't.

    I just said you were crass and insensitive for politicising a tragedy immediately afterwards to further your very vocal opposition to a political party.

    Some things are more important.

    I never tried to tell you what you could say.

    I hope not to speak to you later.



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    #99
    Gatling
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110052#Comment_119110052

    The same ones crying about communism and china , meanwhile they are trying to ban close to a 1000 books in schools .

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    #100
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110052#Comment_119110052
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    https://www.nps.gov/thje/index.htm



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    #101
    dublinman1990
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    If you're currently hearing the news reports about this school shooting tonight. The final death toll is not going to stop at 18 children. There are more kids who are currently fighting for their lives in hospital right now as a result of this shooting. The official death toll may get higher if more deaths are officially reported over the next few hours.



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    #102
    Itssoeasy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110042#Comment_119110042

    its higher than columbine if that new number is true. Actually it was already higher than columbine at 15 dead because columbine was 13 not including the two shooters. 14(maybe 18) children dead and there’s the usual shocked and stunned tweets. Stunned people maybe but shocked ? Im not shocked at all unfortunately.



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    #103
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    Absolutely heartbreaking.



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    #104
    Manic Moran
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110052#Comment_119110052

    No more than they were referring to television for the right to free speech, or wire taps when they were considering a prohibition on unreasonable search.

    That argument has been tried and outright rejected by the courts.



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    #105
    Gatling
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110081#Comment_119110081

    And to try do it by force Politically they could be looking at actual armed conflict ,

    One side wants to do to something and other the other side you have people Willing to fight to the death to protect their rights to bear arms.

    It's really a no win situation at this point

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    #106
    Ninthlife
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    Terrible loss of young lives....all that potential and childish innocence lost

    A cowardly evil act



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    #107
    Gatling
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    27th school shooting this year alone in America .

    It's pretty much an average of two school shooting per month every month

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    #108
    pjohnson
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    Americans prefer to keep the guns safe rather than the children.



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    #109
    briany
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110114#Comment_119110114

    It's been going on for a long, long time now. There have been worse events than this and America has done little to nothing which might address the phenomenon. So at this point, I just say that this is one of the hazards of living on the states.



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    #110
    BorneTobyWilde
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by2IX8PKyoI

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    #111
    dublinman1990
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    U.S. President Biden is now speaking at the White House to speak about the shooting in Texas.



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    #112
    Muppet Man
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110114#Comment_119110114

    It's a shocking number for sure... but isn't the average even worse than that? I mean 27th in 5 months, is basically five shootings / month, or more than 1 per week. Its an absolutely astonishing figure either way.


    Muppet Man



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    #113
    BorneTobyWilde
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghrj3P_ZF00

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    #114
    BorneTobyWilde
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    Tough words from Biden, but we all know it will unfortunately be in vain



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    #115
    neirbloom
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110143#Comment_119110143

    Good speech, expected him to just send some prayers thinking of the family yada yada but he seemed genuinely angry fed up and knows noting will change once again. Its the same narrative being played out on CNN and every other news network covering the shooting.



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    #116
    Strumms
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110151#Comment_119110151

    The sad thing is, so does he.

    how fûcked up is that country?

    Imagine a referendum was proposed to do away with the 2nd amendment… there would be literally war… people would die over it…quite probably the President who proffered the idea.

    Around 450,000 people per decade die as a result of gunfire in the US….

    but some idiotic twats in 1791 passed a law that said everyone should be allowed to own deadly weapons..



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    #117
    dublinman1990
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    Well; President Biden has remarked in his address to the American People that they have to do so much more. Is he is right that the U.S. legislature can do so much more to try and address their alarming gun laws by bringing the number of guns in the U.S. down to a trickle.

    My thoughts on it are that he is going to be a very brave president fighting a hard slog in making any attempts to try & influence the U.S. gun lobby to listen to the messages coming from his presidential address from the White House.

    The U.S. gun lobby need to take a huge dose of self reflection upon them when they are getting the chance to assess the grim situation that occurred in Texas earlier tonight.

    It's an essential duty on their part to actually try and explain their rationale to why their current gun law policies are experiencing some major problems in how their influence is making the situation a lot more unpalatable for any regular person to endure.

    If the events in Texas are anything to go by; what would be the NRA's views on the perpetrator who had purchased 2 guns from a legal gun shop owner in Texas on his 18th birthday. Would you think they would be OK with the perpetrator's intention that he actually shot his own grandmother and was also going to gun down a reportedly large number of innocent children within an elementary school located in a Hispanic community in Texas?

    Would the gun lobby owners in the NRA try and do the same thing to people in their own communities if the push came to shove?



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    #118
    Suckit
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119109406#Comment_119109406

    Even to arm them with Tazers or to arm the schools and classrooms themselves with external monitors, and if possible have some sort of remote control weapons.

    The Americans spend Billions a year on how to defeat Afghanistan or China if there ever was a war. But haven't figured out how to defeat or stop one person from going into a school and opening fire.

    If they are not going to ban guns, they need to spend at the very least, millions (possibly 0.4% of the military funding), to research for this insane preventable stupidity. For lack of another name that wouldn't cause me to lose track of my point..



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    #119
    Atlantic Dawn
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110163#Comment_119110163

    Airliner style secure cockpit doors for the classrooms might help too, would limit attack opportunities to outside normal class based lessons.



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    #120
    Manic Moran
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119110158#Comment_119110158

    You’ll find that the dates are a little more broad than that. https://gun-control.procon.org/state-constitutional-right-to-bear-arms-2/

    The oldest is 1776 (Pennsylvania) “That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination, to, and governed by, the civil power.”, the most recent Missouri in 2014. “That the right of every citizen to keep and bear arms, ammunition, and accessories typical to the normal function of such arms, in defense of his home, person, family and property, or when lawfully summoned in aid of the civil power, shall not be questioned.”

    13 have been in my lifetime, and some are not exactly red states. For example, Delaware voted in 1987 that ““A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use.”



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    #121
    Strumms
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    It takes in an airport, an hour to scan 550 people through one security screening lane… X-ray, ETD and hand searching…roughly 9 people per minute…but dawdling, messing, immature kids… a LOT longer

    Many high schools over there have 3000 plus students …

    what do the say 7-10 qualified people do, security screeners ? Work 3-4 hours a day when they could go work at the airport getting 40 hours for those skills..better pay and not having to deal with that BS..???

    kids wouldn’t be allowed home at lunch, not enough time to re-screen them all. So needs to be lunch supervised…teachers ?

    who monitors the kids, wellbeing, behaviour etc during the process of arrival, Qing and getting scanned? … teachers won’t want that… so needs to be the supplementary screeners or a separate security detail… which is why i mentioned the 7-10…. $$$$$$$$$

    nutsville, ban the guns



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