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Brawl breaks out at Dublin Airport

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    The Guards trousered 10's of thousands in overtime payments during Covid for standing on the side of the road questioning people going about their business but at the Country's busiest airport a load of knacks can indulge in a punch-up for 5minutes without a Guard in sight.

    That figures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,835 ✭✭✭Allinall


    How many guards do you want standing around the airport pocketing overtime waiting for a fight to break out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    Report the OP to bring the thread to the attention of the moderation team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    Go to any airport in Europe and you'll see plenty of (usually heavily armed) police and/or military standing around waiting for something to kick off. Most will spend their entire careers waiting for an incident that doesn't happen, but if it ever did its far better to have them there than not.

    Not that I'm advocating use of guns in this case or anything like it - but could you even imagine anything like this going down for even 30 seconds in Heathrow or Charles de Gaulle? Even the thickos in the video wouldn't have the balls to attempt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,292 ✭✭✭tanko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,004 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I never knew they had bank accounts and plastic cards, you know.... how do you book a Ryanair flight with cash boss? But I suppose someone has one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    I am advocating the use of guns in this case, you could unload unload a hape of buckshot into that shower in the video without any fear of hitting a law abiding citizen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭Dante


    Where the hell was the airport police? If this happened in a UK airport these apes would be taken care of in 2 minutes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭donaghs


    One was hospital, one was arrested and taken to Swords station. It may have started with two people, but what about the others?

    I thought prompt reponses were required at airports in case of terrorist incidents etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,603 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Enough to prevent a fight breaking out.

    It's an area subject to huge crowds, it should have a permanent security presence that is so overt that it prevents this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    They were checking with their superiors who were looking up if this was one of the groups who are allowed to do anything they like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    A law unto themselves.

    people jumping in to save the guy on the ground was funny, like oh , it’s gone too far now haha.

    scumbags should be left at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    imagine the damage an armed terrorist would do to that crowd in the eternity it took for the gardai to arrive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    At least they are putting facilities in place



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  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭cezanne


    Not when they go en masse to costa del sol they all fly together thence they all fight together and family fueds are brought up. I always feel sorry for the irish family who have saved for their annuall holiday and are faced with this before the flight even takes off. We can blame Ryanair for this of course. You can no longer escape this unless you choose to go to more exclusive places and rent a private villa the only way as these lovely folk practicing their boxing skills are also in the same apartments so it doesnt end . They can single handedly ruin a holiday. Best holiday is to grab a few friends and hire a villa & a car and have a super hoiliday own pool bbQ area and privacy ! The fighting at the airport can be forgotten until the return flight !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    The security staff in question need to be subjected to disciplinary action,

    as to why no response was made to the fighting.


    The other people who got involved in the barney... were they innocent members of the public trying to break it up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    You can blame scum in the video and also ask as a member of society where are the people charged with and paid to protect members of society?

    Can never have a society of peace and harmony.

    There will always be trouble and scum, hence why humans have safeguards and protectors: Law enforcement and security!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Best solution there is to let them out of country and ban the lot from reentry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭UsBus


    Anyone heard any mention of this incident in the main media today..? Spare me the crap about discussing an ongoing case. The evidence is all there. Or are we far too concerned with some non event 3000 miles away in Texas..?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    To be fair to the gardai I'm sure once it could be verified that said incident wasn't being done by a member of an esteemed ethnic nomadic group indigenous to this island, they would be straight in it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭M three


    "Gardaí confirmed they attended the incident at Dublin Airport this evening"

    Is it not that they attended AFTER the incident? Going by all the different videos doing the rounds the various fights went on for a good 5 to 10mins.

    It is pathetic that security and gardai didnt respond to the brawl and put a stop to it before that. Its our national airport ffs.

    But I guess when airport management queue dont provide sufficient security staff, queue people on top of each other for weeks on end, and queue people out the door and turn the airport into a huge clusterf**k this is the kind of incident that we shouldnt be one bit surprised about.

    Remember how quick the authorities were to set up checkpoints on the way to the airport, and have inspectors questioning people in the airport?

    All to try and find someone who might be on the PUP going away for a few days.

    No shortage of resources then eh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    It's alright folks the minister for justice has just said on radio that 'lessons will be learned from this'. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,517 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    All the fight was missing was the ring girls and referree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    Has any advocacy groups said the incident could have been avoided if the government invested in basic facilities and put in place a bare knuckle boxing ring at the airport yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,504 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    So glad they're an ethnic minority now and not classed as Irish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭UsBus


    Drew Harris being asked, where were the 50 new gardai when this was going on..?

    Supermacs CCTV footage being deleted as we speak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    becareful who we let into the country and do backround checks would be a good lesson for her to learn, not in this case obviously



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭manonboard


    Completely Agree. Anyone on the ground who has their head stamped is at risk of absolute carnage to their brain. Every 10 year old knows how that goes. Its why we crush cans like that before recycling. Immediate attempted murder charge in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Stuttering his way through that interview and wouldn't answer why it took gardai so long to get there especially as the minister for justice was on earlier bigging up how she has opened a garda station in the airport. Wonder if there is anyone actually in the station?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    To all the smart arse clowns like the above, here are some actual facts.

    Gardai aren't responsible for policing the inside of the airport. It's airport police. Gardai are there in a supportive role and wouldn't be inside the airport terminals unless requested.

    As to where the "50 gardai" were. Well they work across shifts and units funnily enough. There may have been maximum 10 gardai on duty in the airport at the time of the incident. And based in a station within the airport that may take at least 5 minutes to get to from the time they were called, at which point the incident was effectively over.

    I think the issue of lack of airport police to break it up is a question for the DAA.

    For gardai attending from outside the airport well obviously they werent going to get there in time.

    But don't let the facts get in the way of your thanks whoring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Do the airport police have the same powers as Gardai?

    Are they trained in making arrest, getting physical?


    Tell ye, when you been through Paris CDG, or Frankfurt airports,

    the police are properly tooled up, like special forces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Where were the fairplay men?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭thefallingman




  • Registered Users Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    The airport police are a bad joke tbh. If they're not willing or able to deal with incidents such as this then hand over policing and patrolling of the airport terminals to gardai



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Good to see security in Dublin Airport is first class.

    Many can relate to it about other parts of country



  • Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭Captain Barnacles


    Because they are not up early, they are out very late ... you know ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭M three


    People who are very entitled to question why a major brawl wasnt promptly responded to in our national airport are not "Smart arse clowns"

    People are very entitled to ask questions, but you class them as engaging in "thanks whoring".

    Maybe take a look at your own response to all this eh? Trying to sweep it under the carpet doesnt bode well for such incidents in the future now does it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭Terrontress


    I don't believe that to be the case. Dublin Airport Police are a very specialised force who deal with byelaws relevant to the airport and are also trained in firefighting / public safety and first responding.

    An incident of this nature is beyond the remit of Airport Police and needs Gardaí with experience of public order policing and use of force against non-compliant people.

    As has been pointed out here, other European nations' large airports have a visible armed police or army presence spread throughout the airport. They wear earpieces and are backed by CCTV so, when something goes down, they react quickly and are not far away. I have seen it with my own eyes in Stansted, Gatwick. In Paris CDG, they were wearing camouflage.

    The truth is that it should have been possible to identify these men as a potential risk prior to any trouble starting, and resources should have been deployed close to the area.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    they have full police powers in the airport. as somebody else said the issue of the slow response is down to the airport police not the gardai. From the Dublin Airport Police webpage

    Our duties also include responding to emergency situations, traffic management and dealing with the preservation of good order to ensure all users of State airports can enjoy a safe environment while working or travelling through the airports

    they certainly failed at that in this incident.



  • Registered Users Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    Explaining facts does not = Sweeping under the carpet. DAA airport police are responsible for policing the airport's terminals and wouldn't have gardai within them as a matter of course.





  • Very bad response time. Indefensible really. Justice minister and Garda Commissioner out gaslighting the general public today.

    Where were the guards coming from Coolock somewhere??

    At the minimum, there should be full time armed response unit at the airport trained to deal with all kinds of incidents. Law and Order is in a slow decline and there is a myriad of reasons for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭Ohmeha


    Reports of guns/explosives successfully getting through airside, reports of laptops going missing from luggage during security, reports of airport staff assaulting passengers, reports of passengers snaking around in queues for over an hour, reports of toilets overflowing and stinking, and now reports of minorities attempting murder airside in the terminal freely for minutes on end without a whiff of security or police intervention

    I'm sure the DAA, Gardai and the Government will reassure the population they are doing a great job with Dublin Airport as the main gateway to our country and that they are totally prepared for a terrorist attack



  • Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭GalwayMan74


    they should of let them beat each other to death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭Get Real


    Agree. Not blaming individual lads and lassies that work at it.

    But if your role is to police the airport, and you're called airport police. And you have handcuffs, powers of arrest and the DAA website says your role is to make arrests, detect crime within the airport grounds and terminals....

    Have it one or the other. Either have the Gardaí there 24/7 and disband the airport police, or keep the airport police.

    But then when something like this happens, don't go quiet and let it become a garda issue. Of course, they responded and should too, and made an arrest.

    But I'm a bit confused as to why the DAA/Airport police aren't being asked questions and the guards are.

    Not that there's much to answer tbh, alot can happen in 3 mins. I get that if there was an airport police patrol there, it probably wouldn't have happened, it simply would've erupted on the next floor up or in a separate part of the building, again 3 or 4 mins away.

    Crucially, we don't know the background. I've seen guards arrest someone at my business, then during chats you'd find they interviewed him etc. Not 60 seconds later you could have some scumbag committing a crime, but the guards have left with Mr Interview seconds prior. Not their fault. Scumbags the one to blame.

    Anyway, either have an airport police or don't imo. Not some token lads who are in the airport police but everything shifts to the guards. Give them power if necessary or get rid. Not this grey accountability.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭touts


    Any sign of the likes of John Connors or Pavee point today? No?? Surprise surprise.

    The radio stations should tell them they won't be allowed on next time they want to spread their anti-settled community propaganda if they don't come on to answer serious questions about this incident.

    Post edited by touts on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    In fairness they probably haven't been asked to go in shows to discuss and knowing our media they wouldn't be asked anything about. Also in the reports I haven't heard that these people were part of the traveller community.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    Here's another fact - they had been causing problems earlier.

    Airport police and gardai should have been alert for further trouble.

    But the alcohol consumed by some people in Dublin airport is off the charts and it causes far too much aggravation on flights every day of the year. The number of bars in the airport must be one of the highest in the world



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    What is most embarassing is that I honestly can't think of another airport in Europe where I could even imagine this happening for more than 10 seconds before the lads find themselves carried out hogtied with a taser jammed up their hole (and that's the gentle scenerio).

    Could you imagine how quickly and definitively the Guardia Civil would have dealt with this? But no, here we have the airport "police" shrugging their shoulders and vaguely directing any questions towards the Gardai, who are in turn shrugging their shoulders.

    Between this and other recent carry on in the airport (theft of belongings, assault of passengers by staff, a test gun getting through security) along with countless antisocial behavior incidents on the DART, Luas, bus and rail system is it not perfectly clear that not having a dedicated, specifically trained Transport Police with clear mandate and teeth to do the job just isn't good enough at this stage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,536 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    you believe having 4 bars and a whiskey bar spilt between 2 terminals makes it one of the highest in the world?



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