Texas School shooting 19 children and 2 adults murdered

And the handling of the situation will be investigated. They’d be under more criticism had they let in the hysterical parents and allowed for more casualties. It likely comes back to not having appropriate resources and training in place.

It’s like people just want to blame everyone and everything right now just to vent their anger..

Is it not the point though that this sort of reoccurring incident means that America ISN'T civilised?

And considering there is a better chance of me going to the moon as there is of gun reform in America, something which seems extreme by rest of the world standards is the only option.

It seems the gunman got a head start on the cops- even a strong door with an armed presence the other side could have (note I didn't say would have) prevented what happened.

Arming teachers isn't exactly "a gun free zone". My point stands.

Of course it could have prevented what happened. But I think anyone with even half a brain would agree that the solution to gun problems is not and should never be more guns.

The extreme number of guns coupled with their easy availability in the US IS the problem.

America as a society is gone in the head. It's eating itself from within. Wealth grabs by the rich, a polarisation of politics, economic decline, societal decline. It's an empire in its final stages, before it's final descent into either civil war or a breakup of the country. Simple as that.

Forget baseball, mass shootings are the true American past-time. Every few days now. The main sports don't even have as many games in a year as there are mass shootings. It's their national sport at this stage.

And while the Democrats are at best a party confused with itself and all over the place, the Republicans have to bear the brunt of the blame for this madness as they're the ones who have pushed and campaigned for this madness for so long. and it's got the point that the only way it'll ever be solved is if there's quite a good few mass shootings at Republican political rallies forcing them to react.

But there were three armed law enforcement officers there, far more trained than any teacher would be, and they were absolutely useless. We see time and time again that more 'good guys with guns' is nearly always ineffective.

The Republicans argue that gun control measures wouldn't solve all mass shootings with guns but peddle solutions, like this one, that would solve even fewer.

If the well trained and armed police officers were useless then what evidence would a less well trained and armed teacher be better than the cops? That point makes no sense.

Yes, cops decided to risk themselves after standing by and listening to kids being murdered for an hour. They don't get a round of applause for doing their job an hour late. If they don't want to risk their lives they shouldn't sign up to be cops.

Who said removing every gun from America? This isn't doing everything or nothing. For example, this mass shooting would have been much more difficult to occur if it wasn't easier for an 18 year old to buy an AR-15 and hundreds of rounds of ammunition than it is for them to buy a beer.

Because they are cowards.

It's worse than you think. The CDC were barred from doing research into gun violence by a succession of US governments. Gun lobby can't have that. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/27/health/cdc-gun-research-walensky/index.html

It's still tiny amounts of money on the USG scale of things, but better than doing nothing.

ah this have armed people in the school is the most American argument I’ve ever heard. They see it as a solution not an interim measure while things are sorted. It’s all horse ****, eventually the guy behind the door will get shot in one of these and more absolute assholes will say to put an armed man behind a door behind the armed man behind the door.

What a stupid sweeping statement. America has a population of roughly 330 million, stretches from the frozen Arctic Circle to the sunny Everglades of Florida and Hawaii Islands in the pacific. People are risking life and limb daily to get there, millions are living there illegally including many Irish and fear being caught and deported......if it was such a dump would this be the case ??? America problem is that it's too democratic, too free, too tolerant - citizens have too many rights & freedoms and unfortunately certain deranged, mad, insane folk take advantage of this e.g. the Twin Towers bombers etc. same applies to guns.

Of course America has it's problems, it's not exactly Nirvana it's a melting pot of people and their cultures from all over the world and they seem to co exist peacefully 90% of the time. We may not like to admit it, but the rest of the free world depend on them to defend our way of life, our freedom, our democracy - they are currently pumping billions of dollars into Ukraine and keeping the likes of China in check. I guess they're the best of a generally bad lot compared for example the wimpish EU etc.

Depending if you believe a police officer on site, some cops didn't stand idly by, they went in and got their own kids out and left others to be murdered/

They were apparently waiting for a specific task force to arrive to storm the building, despite the fact they had dozens of cops there with military grade weapons and armor just standing around and tackling panicked parents to the ground.

Most cops aren't 'worth their salt', they aren't heroes like you see on TV or movies - they are just as cowardly as the general public and no matter of training will overcome that.