Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

That isn't a ban. It's a law which passed made the de facto language Ukrainian, in Ukraine.

That referendum was garbage. It was held in weeks, like the Crimea one.

Polls in the area showed people wanted different things. In effect, they had zero choice, in 2014 the process had started, as predicted, absorption by Russia.

More balderdash, unfortunately.

Do you have any credible sources for the assertion?

Murderous Russian separatists are not believable in any way, shape or form. Remember, they shot down a civilian airliner, killing all on board. Thugs and Fascist scum.

Hang on, wasn't it about de-nazification? Or are you saying Ukrainian Forces are Nazis?

......Im confused!!!

It's standard misinformation tactics: make some bs claim which is clearly false, when called on it make a minor correction, majority of the false claim remains out there but seems more believable compared to the original ludicrous claim and the claimant seems reasonable and willing to correct themselves.

Thoroughly discredited nonsense.

You might have gotten away with this garbage before the invasion.

The world has seen Russia's true agenda in Ukraine, trying to seize Kyiv and topple the government, partition the country and pillage it.

As for civilised population... the world has also seen the atrocities committed by Russian troops in Ukraine and knows who the savages are in this conflict. They have seen whose actions are most like that of the Nazis, and it is that of Russia.

The populations of eastern Ukraine were living in peace until Russia's invasion of Crimea and sending in Russian paramilitaries to foment a conflict.

The Ukranian parliament ousted the democratically elected leader when he, without any democratic mandate or authority, attempted to defy parliament and the will of the Ukranian people in refusing to sign treaty with EU and trying to sign a treaty on unfavourable terms of Ukraine with Russia. They were not the actions of a democrat, but of a corrupt Russian stooge. The Ukranian people have repeatedly shown their democratic will for closer ties with the West and EU, not Russia.

Nobody's buying what you are selling tankie.

Interesting tweet from Gary Kasparov on the spin he sees coming from the Kremlin... expect versions of it to be pushed by its mouthpieces

"Putin knows the weapons will get there, in less than a month, so he is desperate to push the story of a stalemate, to get a ceasefire he won't honor. Under that cover he will consolidate territory, continue annexation, and liquidate any resistance. He's done it before."

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To address the posters supporting the unrecognised referendums in Crimea and Donbas. It doesn't matter what the results were, no referendum should ever be held in a matter of weeks under armed coercion. Those particular ones were foregone conclusions orchestrated by the Kremlin. All of which had been planned years in advance, chess-moves, absorption into Russia. Likewise the attempts at gearing up for more sham "referendums" in occupied Ukrainian territory.

You aren't seriously questioning sourced & documented photos & videos but then saying "I saw this other stuff on telegram - believe me & it" - are you?

I've a Russian speaking Ukrainian work colleague from Donbas whose parents live in an area controlled by Russia since 2014 as it happens - to put it succinctly, it was entirely news to him to discover in 2014 that there was now an independence movement in his oblast.

As regards the poster talking about the Ukrainians "brutalizing" Russian speakers, it's a pity the Russians weren't able to come up with any evidence of that to provide to the UN or other human rights organisations that worked in the area.

It would really have helped their argument if they could have found even a single third party organisation to say their accusations weren't complete fabrications