Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

The query still stands, do you have any evidence that 50% of some unquantifed number of Ukrainian nationals, consider themselves Russian?

Ah lads/lassies come on. Wikipedia if anything is anti Russian in its censorship. Its not as though I quoted RT or Sputnik.

Tough crowd.

CNN's banner writers were not the subject of the discussion we were having. It was obviously a symbolic referendum and a way for the people of the region to tell Kiev that they wanted to be the bridge between Russia and the Ukraine. At that point in 2014 before the civil war intensified they saw themselves as being Autonomous. Something the incumbent Kiev regime did not want to accommodate.

If it was held today after all that has happened over the last 8 years they would no doubt vote to leave Ukraine.

And prohibited doctors and civil servants from using it in their work even though half the population spoke it. Including Zelensky.

The referendum was garbage because it wasn’t the result you wanted.

There were numerous factors but yes, the brutality and oppression of the Ukrainian regime against the pro Russian populations of eastern Ukraine was probably the main reason. You cannot seriously expect Putin to sit back while his people are brutalized, pillaged and raped at the hands of nazi battalions of the Ukrainian army.

And yes there are battalions of the Ukrainian army that are nazis and proud of it, they don’t even try to hide it. As a matter of fact, these nazi groups were the main cause of destabilizing Ukraine in the first place back in 2013/14. That’s a fact, the nazi organizations were by far the most influential in illegally removing the Russian friendly democratically voted leader of Ukraine which is what caused separatist movements to form in eastern Ukraine. Many people believe these nazi groups were US backed in an attempt to westernize UKraine and break off ties with Russia.

At the end of the day the facts of the matter are that if the Ukrainian regime spent more time taking care of their people and less time banning and oppressing all things Russian then none of this would have happened. If the Ukrainian people acted like a civilized population and didn’t illegally oust the Russian friendly democratically appointed leader of Ukraine and simply waited for another election then separatist movements in the east wouldn’t have gained so much support.

Personally I’m in support of Russia in this war, that doesn’t mean I want Russia to control the whole of Ukraine, nobody wants that. I simply want freedom for the pro Russian population of eastern Ukraine from Ukrainian oppression, I mean not even letting them speak their own language, what’s that all about?

Ukraine wants to now play the bully victim card but those of us who are aware of the atrocities and oppression committed against the pro Russian population of eastern Ukraine know that the only bully in Ukraine which caused this war was the Ukrainian regime and their nazi battalions of the Ukrainian army.

Wasn't @Cheerful S by any chance?

Those referenda were about as "free" and "open" as the 1934 German referendum granting Hitler almost unlimited power. With "voters" that were bussed from polling station to polling station that were told in no uncertain terms how to vote. If you vote in favour, just put your ballot in the box, otherwise go to the voting booth that has a sign on it that reads "only traitors go inside".

Any referendum with a 90% or greater vote in favour of anything is a bunch of horsesh*t. This kind of % is reserved for rigged bullsh*t in favour of totalitarian regimes.

Only a moron or a liar would describe those referenda as valid.

Kiev was obviously a decoy attack to keep Ukrainian forces away from the South while the DPR and the Russians encircled the highly symbolic and strategically important Mariupol along with swathes of the southern territories. It functioned as a fixing operation just like Karkhiv appears to be currently functioning. To keep as many troops in the north so that the desperately needed reinforcements for the defence of the Donbass never materialize. This allows the allied Russian forces to slowly take the rest of the Donbass village by village as they are currently. This was also how they won in Syria apparently.

For months the western media told us the Russians were incompetent and Ukraine were winning the war. We've seen the surrender of the Azov batallian with their nazi and satanic tattoos, town after town been captured in the east and south and censorship and bans been handed out in the west that question the western mainstream narrative.

It was NATO that wanted this war and now we're seeing them been defeated. It will be a matter of time before we see their crimes in Ukraine such as the bio labs and enrichment of the Biden family. How long more will we censor the truth...

What I find particularly funny/naive & gullible about the Russian shills (assuming they aren't deliberately trolling) is that they straight up trust the word of a country which has over decades if not centuries literally perfected the art of lying - to their population, to their superiors & to their enemies. How is it that the Russians literally lie & have lied about everything all the time - (Lavrov was still denying they attacked Ukraine in mid March) except for everything they say about this latest (following a very long line) invasion?