Texas School shooting 19 children and 2 adults murdered

I never mentioned their safety. I was referring to the safety of people stuck inside.

can you point to where that’s a universal police policy? There’s 1000s of cities each with their own police forces.

Im sure these questions will be asked and we’ll get a detail timeline

You still don't get it do you.

People are not saying don't secure schools. They are saying that securing schools wont solve the problem. And it wont. Guns ARE the problem. What part of that do you find difficult to understand?

What's this crap about "right" to bear arms. No civilised country in the world except the US gives a "right" to bear arms. And you know why?... because it leads to multi gun crimes and mass shootings. As for the "right" to self defence, if no-one had a gun then that wouldn't apply. Why does no other civilised country clamour for this "right" to self defence with a gun? Answer me that one.

There are illegally obtained firearms in every country in the world. That's the nature of the beast. But if guns are made illegal then there's a whole lot less of them in circulation. And there should be massive sentences if found in possession. Do you read of mass shootings in Ireland or the UK? That's because guns are illegal here... and yet we still have our quota of weirdos.

Sure. And these "incel freaks" you refer to are present everywhere in society throughout the world, not just in the US. But by legalising owning firearms you're simply giving these "incel freaks" the opportunity to be 'someone that matters', and to express their anger in the most terrible way. There are estimated to be over 400 million firearms in the US, which is an open invitation for perpetual carnage in my opinion.

Yes, and it wouldn't be such a "dangerous place where you can be killed for nothing" if hundreds of millions of people didn't own lethal firearms.

American schooling and education is not a lot different to ours. American healthcare is not a lot different to ours.

So these "incel freaks" you refer to are not unique to America. But unlike in Ireland or the Uk, they are able to act out their warped fantasies simply because they have access to guns.

A blanket gun ban and amnesty would be the only solution. Sporting and hunting licences would have to be stringently assessed and approved. But as I've said earlier in the thread, this won't happen and we'll continue to read about more and more children and young adults cut down in their prime.

A gun can take a life in a split second. Politics is endless.

And the birthday party that nearly happened yesterday.

Regardless of whether you are the the right to bear arms. It exists. Pretending it died and coming up a “solution” that ignores it is pointless.

saying guns aren’t the problem is overly simplistic. Countless times in this thread people have called for an automatic or assault weapons ban in the US. I assume they fail to realise that are are banned in many places, even where allowed they’re not easy to get. If they were banned in Texas, it wouldn’t have changed a thing here.

so what then? Ban AR-15s? We’d be having the same discussion about some other firearm. then what? Ban them all. There’s 400m out there as you mentioned. If no more are sold from tomorrow, there’s no impact of these crimes.

And the fact there are no mass shootings in Ireland and England is not because guns are illegal - because they’re not illegal here.

Lol. I'm sure there's a pro-police narrative because the alternative makes a mockery of the guns for protection narrative. And it's all part of the soap opera. They hesitated for over an hour. It was a case of chickening-out.

They have to defend the police hesitation because if they don't, then it shoots holes (if you pardon the pun) through the idea that "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun! *Cheering*.

The real question is why they have so many peoppewho want to kill children.

Nice takedown of the police's inaction here from Lucian Truscott, ex-West Point ex-US Army, and avowedly left wing:

Guns make these guys far more of a risk to society though. Their threat goes up hugely if they are in possession of weapons. A nutcase without a gun is seriously hampered and unlikely to be able to carry out his fantasy of killing multiple people.

That would be clearly unconstitutional. As I said in the post you quoted: Solutions that ignore that are sticking your head in the sand.

How is it splitting hairs? You said guns are illegal, they are not. Pretty clear cut case of a statement being incorrect.

Obviously ownership is nothing like the states. But nobody claimed it was, so I don’t see the relevance.

I don’t think sticking to facts is a lot to ask. It’s a topic with a lot of noise and nonsense.

there was no “narrative”. The point was that a open carry Texan would have diced right in. Do you doubt that?

Im not sure what the protection narrative you’re referring to is. Firearms for protection have nothing to do with armed police. If that right didn’t exist police would still be armed. (Both of which are the case most places.)

Hard to blame a bad guy for doing bad things without looking at the lack of obstacles put in place to stop him. Can you npt accept that the police did a bad job and that the gun laws in america do put pressure on all the preventative measures to be working perfectly to prevent innocents being killed.