Texas School shooting 19 children and 2 adults murdered

Those guys are everywhere, including in Ireland. But without weapons, they aren't in a position to go on a killing spree (and they probably haven't got the guts to go out and stab people to death with a knife instead). Also, with a knife, they risk being quickly overpowered or caught by police and nor do they have option of shooting themselves at the end of the killing spree.

We have knives. If someone wants to kill children in a school in Ireland, they could do it. But we don't. We don't have a culture of doing it and our society isn't brokennto the extent that people want to murder people in shopping centres or children in schools.

I'm reading that the killer bought the weapons on credit and couldn't even afford them. The story just gets worse and worse : a flat broke 18 year old who lives with his grandmother buying assault weapons and not even having the money to pay for them.

I was under the impression he was shot dead by border patrol agents who got sick of waiting and got a key off a member of staff. Of course, the facts will become clearer with time.

As I said, it'll become clearer with time. But it doesn't look great on the face of it for the police who were outside with rifles and body armour on. I read that the police may have believed it was no longer an active shooter situation and was now possibly a hostage situation, but if that is true, then the border patrol still possibly ignored the senior officer on the ground and went in anyway. But once again, the facts aren't clear yet so I wouldn't be too hasty in deciding what happened.

If you think pointing out errors in your claims, and massive gaping flaws if your “solution” is noise. It really reduces you stance on this issue to the equivalent of an anti vaxer ranting about saving the children.

Of course, we’ve all heard that line. The open (or concealed) carry types. Wannabe hero’s and Walter Mittys too. The question I asked, which you ignored, was whether you thought that one of those types would have engaged had they been on the scene?

I think we’ve seen enough incidents to confirm that does in fact happen. There was one two days ago. And I face, the person who shot the killer in Texas was an off-duty border patrol. So a citizen with his own gun liked this guy.

The cops going in or not going in is on the cops. Not related to civilian arms or actions.

I don’t think the questions should be whether they will get involved (clearly some will). The questions is should they have the option or need to. Which is a bit of a chicken and egg situation now.

OK. So think about it for a second. The police are armed and trained to trained to use guns. They did their job by waiting for the specialists to arrive. So, why does the whole country need the right to be armed if the best thing to do is wait for the specialists anyway?

They didn't do their jobs. Kids were still alive but badly wounded. Their job is to protect citizens.

What an extremely childish response. You obviously get some degree of pleasure in twisting the narrative to fit your distorted view, and trying to wind people up at the same time: proof of which is all the posters you've had discussions arguments with on this thread.

My "solution" as you put it, was to ban guns, particularly automatic weapons. That is THE ONLY SOLUTION that will stop mass shootings. Doesn't seem like there are any "gaping flaws" in that. Of course if you've a better "solution" then please, lets hear it, as opposed to you just trying to shoot down others with your every post.

As for you "pointing out errors in my claims", you're once again simply trying to twist something I've said. I remarked that guns are illegal in Ireland, which they are: meaning automatics, semi-automatics, long guns, hand guns, automatic rifles, shotguns which can fire more than 3 cartridges, etc. I obviously did not mean sporting weapons for target shooting, shotguns that farmers use and the like. Every country would be allowed that. You knew exactly what I meant but it's obviously in your nature to be deliberately pedantic and troublesome.

So, firstly, you can't get the weapons that would enable you to do a mass shooting in Ireland and, secondly, even the sporting stuff you can buy is extremely restricted and subject to rigid screening procedures. You cannot walk in off the street - as in the US - and simply buy a gun over the counter.

• Over 90% of guns held in Ireland are shotguns and sporting rifles used for hunting or controlling vermin. These weapons are usually single shot and never automatic.”
• In addition to a reason for applying for the certificate, you must also show proof of identification and age, competence with the firearm, and secure storage for the weapon and ammunition when not in use. A background check then takes place, during which Gardai will contact two people the applicant has selected as character references. They also reserve the right to contact doctors or psychologists regarding the applicant’s mental health history.
• Most other firearms are considered restricted and a special restricted license - with an accompanying justifiable reason - must be applied for. For example, if someone wants a handgun to do target shooting, they must belong to a Gardai-approved target range or shooting club. Almost no handguns (pistols or revolvers) are allowed in private possession outside of gun clubs.
• Per GunPolicy.org: “Where application is for a restricted firearm, the applicant must have 'good and sufficient reason for requiring such a firearm' and must additionally demonstrate that 'the firearm is the only type of weapon appropriate for the purpose.'”
• According to the Restricted Firearms and Ammunition Order 2008, firearms prohibited in Ireland are automatic firearms and their ammunition. Restricted firearms include military-style semi-automatic firearms, semi-automatic firearms which resemble automatic firearms, shotguns with a magazine capacity of more than three cartridges, long guns over .308 (7.62mm) caliber, and rimfire rifles holding more than 10 rounds.

So, some egg on your face there. Unlike you I know what I'm talking about.

But do carry on responding with nonsense that will serve only to continue embarrassing yourself in front of the Boards community. They know exactly what you're doing.

Or eat some humble pie.

You may not know, but the evidence is pretty clear that it does happen. And in this case it did actually happen. You may not have realised that, but it’s well documented now.

Police procedures, delays, actions etc. Will all require scrutiny. But I don’t know how that’s connected to civilian firearms. In fact, it’s not at all.

yes American is broken. The problem or solution is not related to hardware. I literally said that for the entire thread.