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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I think there's a danger in the Day X of the war narrative in that it gives a linear sense and makes us think one way or another. They are proposing potential solutions, not because they want to do Putin any favours but because their natural inclination is that they want the war to stop. Even if he stopped tomorrow the sanctions would still be in place so that's not much of a win.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The West are to blame for food shortages says Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova.

    "The main catalyst for the existing negative trends was the anti-Russian sanctions of the West, which led to a rupture of ties in the field of global logistics and transport infrastructure," she said.




  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Germany has already embarked on a plan to move way from Russian gas and oil but that timetable is far longer than regular broadsides from Zelenskiy. IMO they will do it but not until everything is fully in place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,460 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    And till then one of ukraines biggest weaknesses is the money that the eu pays out for Russian energy .. it's not a simple task for Germany ( and others ) , not only is it going to be expensive ,but it's reputational - Germany in particular has been played like a fiddle ... they were courted, kajoled ,bought and pressurized by Russia .. and then doubled down on their energy imports from Russia ... It would be so much simpler if it all just "went away " and Ukraine lost ...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦





  • Germany has been minimising what arms shipments it’s been sending to Ukraine

    https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1530652831539249153



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Every Irish person is a drunken slob according to captain cliche anyway.





  • jez man you could give a warning before posting those graphic images



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Sooo many excuses, soo much coping

    Everything the EU congratulated itself on standing for turned out to be conspiciously absent once France and Germany decide it was not in their interests. Meanwhile the Baddie Brexiteers didnt hesitate to act and you hate them for it 😂

    A prime example why a Europe of nations rather than a Europe of states is better for our Security.





  • The feeling I get is that Germany and France dont want anything to do with this situation, and are only pandering to their electorate to be acting like they are doing something. The GDP for EU is something like 18 trillion, where as Ukraine GDP maybe about now is 100 billion. EU wants back its cheap energy supplies and for Ukraine/Russia to make a peace agreement, which unfortunately will involve Ukraine giving up territory. Since Ukraine is dependent on EU funds / arms, they will reach a point where they will have to make concessions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Whatever will happen with EU involvement, and maybe it will take Russian victory, and then they start on Poland and the Baltic states to make Germany and France wake up to the threat that Putin poses to Europe. But Biden is under no suck illusions......he see's Putin for what he is, and wants him out of of the way so he can give China his full attention if they invade Taiwan.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    i made several points a few weeks ago about foreign policy, course the band wagon knee jerk crew where up in arms.

    In the international foreign policy game, which is about power not morales. It’s in the wests/NATO/US interest to have a weakened Russia. The situation now looks like russia will eventuality take The Donbas. It’s one thing taking it it’s another to hold it, the Kremlin will have to pour in troops and equipment and that exactly what the west want, to bleed russia dry unfortunately for Ukraine it propably means continued war.



  • Registered Users Posts: 983 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    Russia will not invade Poland or Baltics or any other NATO country. Invading them equals invading USA, they are not that stupid or crazy. They are like school bullies, they pick some weak nerd, but stay away from someone who has a strong big brother. Same with Russia in Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova. They might invade Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, but not a NATO country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    It is true, what Russia Putinbots fear most is the TRUTH. So let's all make sure the Kremlin will never prevail in suppressing or hiding the truth worldwide. For Russia, all we can do is keep highlighting the crap the Kremlin put out. RT news will be found out by everyday Russians. People over there are already starting to question what's going on. The world is against them and they know it... why the world is against them they will eventually find out. Ukraine will win Russia will lose this is a guarantee no matter how France and Germany drag their feet on the war.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭shivaz




  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Brexiteers, eh? Well, bully for them! What exactly is it you imagine Germany and France have decided is not in their interests?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭JoChervil




  • Registered Users Posts: 797 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    I think the west are playing a game. Promising to send Ukraine very powerful artillery, 'within a few weeks'. Within a few weeks Russia will have captured all of the Donbass region, imo, and will declare a ceasefire allowing a gradual return to economic trading with Russia of oil, gas, grain etc etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    There are games on both sides. Putin wants a win, any kind of a win now and the West want whatever Ukraine wants. There will be no change in sanctions just for a ceasefire. We can probably expect sanctions for the rest of the year at least.



  • Registered Users Posts: 247 ✭✭hayse




  • Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭RedCardKid


    Have to love the auld anti Germany / France / Europe crew in here. Easy to see many in here do not understand what role German and French companies have for our everyday life in the EU and indeed the world. Taking BASF, a chemical company (worlds largest if I am not mistaken) with a plant bigger than most Irish towns in Ludwigshafen Germany ... if they were to stop the import of Russian gas into Germany tomorrow, it would mean that plant alone closing down as EU/German law states private homes have to get supplied before industry. They supply additives and other (chemical) ingredients/components to practically every industy worldwide .... https://www.basf.com/global/en/products.html

    Add to that another German company Bayer ... and Europe would be dependant on the Americans and Asian markets to deliver key (elements for) medication etc. Now lets paint things black ... what would the outcry be like if the average Irish household could not buy Panadol or Aspirin, we will not even imagine medication such as insulin, betablockers .....chemo.

    Imagine the farmers had no fertilisers, no pest control .... sure you would all be crying once again, food prices would be even higher than today, god forbid ...

    Imagine, your car breaks down and you need 5-6 weeks to get the spare part as the production of spare parts in central Europe is not possible as the chemical components are not available, sure the Germans switched off their chemical industry... the haters would love it.

    Then imagine .... if Germany and France were to follow the wish of non producing EU member states and were to refuse Russian gas tomorrow, what effect would it have on their own economies .... huge job losses would put strain on their own economies, meaning very quickly they would not be in a position to pump money into the EU pot, refugee care..., Ireland would have to put even more into the pot, might result in public housing becoming more expensive, even less being built, waiting times in hospitals increasing or the dole being reduced ..... they would be crying again.

    People should also not forget, Ukrainian soldiers are being trained on German soil as I write this post, German and French military aircraft / airports are being used for logistics, millions of refugees are being welcomed (and housed) with open arms, schools are opening Ukrainian classes (with Ukrainian teachers and final exams) and German civil servants are on the Polish and Romanian boarders amongst others fast processing immigrant applications. German military are in the Baltic states as part of the Nato rapid response team ....

    Before Irish people start pointing fingers calling out the French and Germans, maybe they should think and ask themselves. Why are they not on the streets lobbying for Ireland to join Nato? Why are they not lobbying for Irish tanks and weapons to be sent (forgot we have none!). How they would cope if they could not get essential medicine? How would they cope if they had no car for a few weeks? How would they cope if they were faced with losing their jobs because of a gas ban?

    Additionaly, think about a situation where Ireland is attacked by the UK ... who would the Irish be turning to for help or assistance rebuilding?? Yes the EU amongst others .... you know the group who are responible for most of our motorways and other infrastructure .... wonder what the bad Germans and French paid towards that ... but being Irish, sure we are entitled. The truth of the matter is and remains, Ireland brings SWA to the conflict in the Ukraine, however there are mouth pieces who would make you believe Ireland are at the front supplying, helping and delivering.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    The Donald and the Kremlin Don: how Trump’s toxic legacy helps Putin (msn.com)


    Even more evidence to be considered that the Republican party and D Trump's presidency was possibly the worst in US history. Enabled by the Republican party's minority numbers that are very much Putinlites. Putin may well have never stepped foot in the Ukraine if the Dems and H. Clinton had won in place of Trump.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,506 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's downright idiotic on their part. Poland, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia genuinely fear being invaded by Russia at any moment and think their NATO membership won't prevent it - they think Putin is mad enough to 'give it a go'.

    They are 100% against the slightest appeasement of him and know what they are up against.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    It is a bigger lobby there. Previous wars were about oil. This one is about gas hence grabing Black Sea ports and steel necessary for building terminals. Too many coincidences with Nord Stream 2 opening and Novatek-Chineese LNG plans to believe otherwise...

    Americans need to develop next Marshall plan for Europe as far as gas is concerned to make EU more cooperative with them. Germany is losing the most in that game apart from Ukraine of course.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Deal with the 50m target first. If Russia is not stopped, any Ukrainian agenda is irrelevant. The Russian problem is more significant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Putin will be reassured after his talk with Scholz and Macron.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    would agree with that , if all of the countries really gave Ukraine the arms that was needed to push back Putin that would make a difference instead of just enough to keep holding things up in the hope of some deal which will suit Putin more than Ukraine .These countries will back in trading etc with Russia first chance they get .



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,982 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    The mistake they made was letting Britain join.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭firemansam4



    Fair play to Poland, second largest donor of equipment to Ukraine after the US.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,743 ✭✭✭zv2


    All the more reason for Germany to get stuck in and finish this war. If they don't I hope the pipe gets blown. You can't allow child rape and torture for any money. The west keeps talking about democracy and 'our values'. What kind of values puts a price on child rape and concentration camps? We All Benefit From Ukrainian Victory - The Atlantic

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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