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The Czech constitution doesn't give the right to 'bear' arms. It's a right to self defence. It's limited. But, you do win today's trivia prize for finding this.

In fact, what this is, is allows the Czech government to legislate around gun ownership, which would be sunlit uplands should US law be changed that way. Imagine, elected officials being able to legislate about something as dangerous as gun ownership...

You've done a bit of Googling but you really haven't a clue about the gun laws in Ireland. You are right about automatic firearms being illegal here in Ireland. That's about all you were right about. Even the stuff you copied and pasted, I don't think you actually fully understand it as you contradict yourself constantly.

Banning automatic firearms won't stop mass shootings given that there are very very few mass shootings carried out with an automatic firearm. Mostly pistols and semiautomatic firearms are used. Fully automatic firearms are very heavily regulated in the US.

You also don't seem to know about the constitutional right to bear arms in the US. You might as well be standing on top of a hill calling for 'World Peace' as calling for all guns to be made illegal in the US (which you did in your quote directly below).

Serious question regarding your quote above. How do you go about taking back 400,000,000 guns from the US populace?

There'd be civil war if that was tried. There'd be very few people in law enforcement who would fancy going around confiscating them and most of them wouldn't make it home at night after a day's work. I'm fairly confident a large percentage of the population would hand them over, bullets first, at extremely high speed.

Another one who's smug in what he thinks he knows.

I'm fully aware of all aspects of the USA constitutional right to bear arms. And I would think everyone with more than a single brain cell is also aware of it.

I know a lot more about it than you. And if you knew the industry I was in then you'd understand why.

Almost all registered civilian firearms in Ireland are sporting shotguns and hunting rifles. In 2009 the private possession of handguns was curtailed. Licensing of all pistols and revolvers using centrefire ammunition was capped through 'grandfathering,' with new licences restricted to a limited range of small-calibre .22 rimfire handguns and .177 air pistols.

I've never said you could. Why are you making things up?

What I said was that would be the only guaranteed solution to stop mass killings in the US. But I acknowledged - in 2 separate posts - that this will never happen. As quoted below: 

• Of course this will never happen. People will scream about their right to "bear arms", the NRA have a vice like grip on politics and Republicans will veto anything the Democrats try to do.
• A blanket gun ban and amnesty would be the only solution. Sporting and hunting licences would have to be stringently assessed and approved. But as I've said earlier in the thread, this won't happen and we'll continue to read about more and more children and young adults cut down in their prime.

Now I'm out of this thread. A handful of smug know-it-all's on here who want to pounce on any small point and twist the facts, leaves a somewhat sour taste in the mouth. Some people don't know what civil discussion and debate is.

Please point specifically what I’m my post that was “nonsense”. Or don’t whatever, we both you you can’t. Everything you’ve said is ignorant waffle.

Handguns in Ireland for pest control and farming? Thanks for proving you haven’t got a clue, once again. firearms in Ireland require a legitimate reason for ownership. Neither of those would be legal reasons for a handgun. If you actually read the website you linked you’d get there. No semi-automatic firearms in Ireland? Again. Wrong buddy.

Saying something is illegal “except for the legal uses” is quite the contradiction. Well done. I haven’t offered to a solution because I’m not so stupid as to think a magic solution exists. It’s a highly complex issue.

where have I supported the US constitution? I’m pointing out that it exists. Is that really so hard to grasp? I dont agree with it. But I’m not going to ignore it’s existence like an idiot

A choice of better word for "interim" in this context would come from the list including: "crazy", "self-defeating" or even "non".

Look, the rest of the democratic world has copped on to what needs to be done. Only America holds out with the nonsense that it is normal for a society to allow anyone who so wishes to wander around with a loaded gun as part of their everyday business. The evidence as to why that is stupid is abundant. But they don't want to give up their myth that a permanently armed populace is the only way to safeguard "liberty" from the excesses of a "tyrannical government."

That's the worst thing about America: they have no faith in democracy, society or the rule of law.

There are many great things about America that much of the rest of the world embraces, worships and tries to emulate. There are even some bad things that America has given to the world about which the rest of the world may complain but still indulges itself in like a guilty pleasure. (McDonalds, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Starbucks: we know this crap is bad for us but we still guzzle it down like it was going out of fashion because it's delicious)

But the right "to keep AND BEAR arms"? Forget it. No democracy anywhere in the world denies its citizens the first of those rights; very few grant the second.

Long may it continue. In this little democracy anyway.

Genuinely curious to know what industry this was? Military, Gardai, Law? Are you willing to let us know?

But anyway, rather than hide behind some unnamed industry here's some of the reasons I reckon I know what I'm talking about. I'm a target shooter. I've owned guns for the past 30 years and have been shooting them for about 40 years. I own pretty much every type of gun you've mentioned earlier in this thread, both restricted and unrestricted. I've shot in National and International Competitions.

Funnily enough, I also have a law degree (although I don't work in the legal field) which means I have a better than average chance at understanding firearms legislation. I won't claim to know it all as nobody in Ireland knows it all given that there are near 30 Acts and SI's etc covering firearms legislation and finding them isn't an easy task. Believe it or not but there is even some firearms legislation hidden in one of our traffic acts. I'd consider myself akin to a rugby player. They'd be expected to know the rules of the game. Similarly, I make it my business to know the rules (laws) of my game.

Now maybe you do know more than I know, and good for you if you do. But given what you've posted, I remain unconvinced.

You've said a pile of stuff that's clearly wrong and are throwing a hissy fit because someone called you on it. All it looks like is that you've Googled some info and now you think you are an expert on the firearms laws here. Feel free to correct me on that. And if I'm wrong, I'll apologise.

You said things that are inaccurate and when you are corrected, you accuse a few of us of being smug and twisting the facts. In a civil discussion, it isn't uncivilised to point out when someone says something that isn't true.

Well, calling for tighter gun controls in the wake of a horrific tragedy like this can hardly be said to be 'politicising' the issue. It would seem a perfectly sensible and reasonable request from a moral, ethical, societal and political standpoint.

Well that’s all wrong I’m sure I heard an expert say the doors were the issue

Everything is politics in the US. It's gotten much worse in the last 20 years. I was last in the States in 2019 and you could hardly have a conversation with anyone without someone bringing the words Republican or Democrat to the table. I found this weird. I'd rarely have a conversation that contained FF or FG or SF or GP here in Ireland.

I actually don't agree that the issue of gun control could be perfectly manageable because the US Government only have part of the say. Most States have their own Constitutions and set their own gun laws. And many States, like Texas, don't want to play ball. There's many hurdles to be jumped and it certainly isn't simple.

And what exactly is meant by gun control? Do you equate gun control to banning guns? The US might have some success in setting up background checks for all firearms, sales only through FFL dealers, waiting periods for guns, a red flag system for those acting the fcuk in real life or in social media etc. But if you mean gun control = banning guns (as many do), then that won't happen in a hurry.

Guns in Ireland are illegal the vast majority of the time. They are only 'legally permitted' when in full compliance with all of the legislation and conditions attached to the firearms license and used for the specified purpose the license was granted.

Even if you have a gun license if you're in possession of a firearm anywhere other than the specified purpose for which you have that gun license, its illegal. If you're not target shooting or hunting or travelling for the purpose of attending a target shooting or hunting activity, that gun needs to be unloaded, kept in a secured, locked safe, often In a disassembled state

If your carrying too much ammunition, its illegal, if you walked into any shop or walked down any street carrying a loaded gun, you would be breaking multiple laws regardless of whether you have a license for that gun

Irelands gun laws are the right way to go.

Americas 'open carry' and self defense licenses are a recipe for the kinds of massacres they see every day over there

No, the vast majority of gun owners would exchange them for cash.

The small percentage who would resist will become criminals and after a few examples of them actually going to jail you'd see them blubbering and begging for mercy like those who were prosecuted after storming the capitol 2 years ago

There may well be armed resistance. But pandering to terrorists snd criminals is not a good argument when the lives of innocent children (and adults) are at stake

Ultimately, allowing right wing extremists (these are the people with the most guns and most likely to oppose restrictions) to ammass arsenals will only lead to a civil war sooner or later. If that happens when the GOP are In government, its unthinkable what would happen next