Mary Lou MacDonald suing RTE

Where are the answers to my requests for back up Brokenangel?

You have provided nothing whatsoever.

Where is this 'information' available on the web? You didn't make any claims about somebody being brought to England for an abortion.

THESE are the claims you made:

Where has she told all these 'victims' that they are lying? And can you tell us how many victims of rape there are. 'Plenty' implies there are many.

Again the insinuation that there are 'plenty', or should I say 'were' as you claim the IRA killed them. Can you present your data on this please.

And finally, can you back up your claim with the data you have seen, that 'the people are troubled' by this case and SF?

Ok, not getting drawn into your invective here.

You have no back up. You were mythologising and engaging in the kind of unbacked up comment that MLMD seems to be fed up with if this case is about what is being speculated.

You have been repeatedly asked for back up by me and others and retort with 'up the yard' invective.

So that is one case.

The poster made a claim of 'plenty'. And then made a further claim that the IRA killed these 'plenty' of victims.

No back up for these claims.

Are you supporting these claims blanch? Yes or no?

P.S. Somebody involved in the segment, reputedly at the heart of this case, claimed she knew of 40 victims at the height of the media frenzy about this, she (Regina Doherty) never backed up these claims either.

So would that define the 'plenty' claim?

How many of these were 'killed' by the IRA?

IT IS NOT A DEFENCE of what happened to those people. I have repeatedly said SF at that time, like many other organisations in this country, handled these cases badly. SF even admits to that themselves.

It is a defence of truth and accuracy though.

You guys think you can mythologise and lie (and the 'plenty' claims of rape and killing of rape victims is at best mythmaking and at worst a scurrilous lie) about these things, you think anyone in your line of fire deserves to have their name thrashed.

The equivalent behaviour would be to tar everyone in FG at the time Leo did what he confessed to as 'the same'. Nobody would do that, but it's different when it comes to SF.

MLMD is no more responsible for what happened under Gerry Adams watch than Lisa Chambers is for what happened under Charlie Haughey or Bertie Ahern.

I didn't use the word 'plenty'. It was brokenangle that used the term.

I understand 'plenty' to mean a 'large'; amount.

How many cases of rape are you aware of committed by the IRA or SF? (don't try and bring the case of a priest abusing children into it, Brokenangel was not referencing that for a second)

I am aware of possibly 5 allegations, none proven.

How many of those have been 'killed' by the IRA?

I am aware of zero incidents where the IRA killed victims of rape.

Are you? Yes or no.

If SF have been found to have been negligent in their handling of these cases then of course they should be made to pay reparation and damages.

*I didn't relate child sex abuse to what Leo did blanch...you are a disgrace of a poster. I very clearly related holding all members responsible for the actions of 1 party member. STOP please with the lies and misrepresentation of my posts.

I never once diminished 5 allegations blanch. that is another stock lie and misrepresentation in order that you can have a rant about me.

Michael Martin and the Ceann Comhairle and the letter of support for a convicted abuser? Louise O'Keefe and her battle with Enda Kenny and the government all the way to Europe? Redress for those abused under successive governments? Are you seriously saying that these organisations didn't have issues with handling abuse cases?

Almost all organisations had difficulties handling these issues, that's a matter of record. SF too, and they didn't handle them well at the time. That they admit that is also on the record.

But still the mythologising continues.

P.S. As you shied away, can I take it you also support the myth of the IRA killing victims of rape? Is it anything goes still with you if it is 'agin de shinners'?

There are 5 allegations in an organisation of thousands Brokeangel.

That would mean I could say there are plenty of fraudsters and corrupt in FG simply because allegations have been made and a few have been caught engaging in fraud.

'Plenty' is an exaggeration. a 'few' is more accurate but doesn't serve the mythologising narrative I suppose.

Now would you please back up the other claim...'that the IRA killed victims of rape'.

And then tell us what data you consulted that told you the 'people of Ireland are troubled by SF'?

Did you not see the reference to the State in my posts? This isn't about Ministerial responsibility as an office-holder of government, this is about personal responsibility for the organisation you claim to lead. No other political party had difficulty with handling abuse cases by its members.

You are still handwaving away, by the way. We are up to six and you don't consider it plenty. You still don't consider it enough for a public judicial inquiry into the handling of allegations by Sinn Fein.

Looked up your profile history didn't see the same concern when Regina Doherty used the police to intimidate a blogger. This is what actual intimidation of journalists looks like.

"She said Ms Kelly had undergone a “chilling experience” at the airport – adding that she was stopped by two plain clothes gardaí who questioned her about her social media use and whether she had written an article about the minister."

Never mind slapps. Just use plain clothes Gardai the Fine Gael way.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/varadkar-regina-doherty-blogger-complaint-a-private-matter-528559

I think this thread exposes the primary issue some people have with this case. They don't want to give up the privilege of being able to make exaggerated claims and absurd generalisations they wouldn't make about other partiesd, because that is about all they have left, strategically.