Mary Lou MacDonald suing RTE

"It has been striking to see the similarity of Sinn Féin’s wagon-circling reaction to these allegations and that of the Catholic Church, when it too tried to put its own institutional safety before the wellbeing of abuse victims. The parallels are sickening."

We have seen the same sickening wagon-circling going on in these threads. The fake calls for back-up when the material is out there and the relevant posters are well aware of same are just disgusting, and your posts are part of that pattern.

That is at least two - Paudie McGahon and Mairia Cahill.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ira-child-sex-abuse-survivors-to-meet-minister-over-kangaroo-court-abuse-cover-up-38176812.html

There were two other women involved in the Mairia Cahill case who also received an apology from the PSNI. So we are up to four. Then there was a second man in the McGahon case so we are up to five.

How many is plenty? How many is sufficient for you to stop handwaving away the issue? How many is sufficient for you to stop defending the cover-up? Do you think five people abused by members of SF/IRA is not a problem but say 40 is?

What about the Brendan Curran claims?

What is enough for you to drop this disgusting defence?

I have asked you again to define what you mean by "plenty". How many child and sex abuses covered up by Sinn Fein is sufficient to get you to call for action from Sinn Fein? One? Two? Or are you happy to wait until there are hundreds?

According to the articles I have posted, they add up to hundreds of abuse cases covered up by Sinn Fein. This is not mythmaking, this is not scurrilous lying, this is from the national media, before they are shut up by SLAPPs cases.

When does the number become sufficient and the issue serious that you stop the handwaving?

I am convinced that even if I present evidence of Sinn Fein covering up thousands of child abuse cases, that you would handwave it away.

Do you think that Sinn Fein, like the Catholic Church and the State (the other organisations you reference), should pay reparations in these cases?

As for your whataboutery with Leo, what a disgrace to trivialise the covering up of child sex abuse to compare it to that. Disgusting behaviour.

Keep up the handwaving.

100% correct.

The problem is when it comes to debates in the media with Sf and their patsies you will get nowhere as all they do is obstruct, agitate, humiliate, bully and back at obstructing again. It's part of all that Belfast training manual they are ordered to go through. That's why I don't really engage with them here. It just frays the nerves.

It does not appear to be a SLAPPS action. There is an FFG propaganda element to having it presented as such. As for RTE's history, you may have been unaware of its bias and subversion. The BAI role in this is irrelevant as it is a defamation action.

This is no longer the political landscape of Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dumber. The old 2.5 party model with FF and FG simply trading government seats after each GE ended around 2013. SF didn't have quite as many seats then and it wasn't the most popular party. Now, SF is at 36% in the latest RedC opinion poll. FG is at 20% and FF IS AT 15%. There are some in the media who obviously don't like that reality and wish for a return to the old 2.5 party model. The Irish media had spent so much time toadying to FF/FG/Labour/Greens that the rise of SF took it by surprise. The Irish media is finding it hard to cope with reality. Newspapers have been losing readers and sales. Most people no longer read a daily newspaper. RTE has lost large sections of its radio audience to local radio competitors. In the past, if somebody said that a leader of a party was the subject of a criminal investigation by the Gardai then people might have assumed that the party was SF. But the leader who was the subject of a criminal investigation was Varadkar. That was quite unseemly for FG and it destroyed a lot of FG's credibility as being a party of law and order.

The political landscape has changed but some of the Dublin media seems to think that it is operating in the old 2.5 party landscape. It suits FFG to spin this as being a SLAPPS action but it is not. It is a defamation action.

Regards...jmcc

So 5 isn't plenty in your opinion. Fair enough, we can tell how low your standards are when it comes to investigating cover-ups of child sex abuse. If the number is 5 or less, there is nothing to see and the organisation and its leadership can go free and easy. By the way, we have forgotten about Aine Adams, so the number is six. Is that enough to be plenty?

Given the documented evidence of what happened to Mairia Cahill when she went public, and which continues to this day on these boards with many victim-blaming and not believing her, 5 is an incredible number to be known.

If Leo or MM or Ryan are refusing to come clean on child abuse within their political party, then yes, I would hold all members of those parties responsible for not defying them and removing them from office. Then again, I view the covering up of child abuse within a political party as far more serious than the alleged leaking of a document that was widely circulated already, but you have different standards.

In some people's eyes, six abuse cases isn't plenty and can be handwaved away.

WHERE did I say they were irrelevant? More lies to cover your exaggeration.

'Plenty' signifies a large number., The poster was clearly mythologising and exaggerating the extent of the issue. 5 or 6 is too many but in the context of thosands of members it is factually only a 'few' cases.

Now can any of you back up the other claims?

Or are we gonna just ignore the track record of exaggeration from this poster on the basis that any allegation is automatically proven if it's a shinner?

Plenty is defined in the dictionary as "having enough or more than enough".

You think that 5 or 6 don't factually equate to plenty.

The handwaving continues.

In my opinion it meets the definition of plenty - i.e. enough or more than enough.

In your opinion it doesn't meet that definition, you think that it is less than enough. The handwaving continues.