The employment crisis in the hospitality sector.

What's your source for this?

I agree with this that the majority of social housing work which is a credit to those people but theres an ever growing Irish ethnic group who dont work - never will work and laugh at those who work to pay their Welfare which really annoys the vast majority of Irish people . Its not fair on the rest of society that one section of Irish society get everything for nothing and give nothing in return.

The guy I know on JSA long-term received 100,000 alone in students fees and grants.

I would not call that miserly.

Another family had to earn nearly 200k at the margin, to generate the net income to cover the same students costs.

You're going to the wrong places.

Any hospitality places I know they have good working conditions. A mixture of the staff do the less glamorous jobs- cleaning toilets, re-stocking, washing windows etc.

It's part of what I do.

I'm a health inspector.

C,Mon if he's in inspecting a place for even 10 minutes you get the vibe off the place.

You make it sound like the hospitality sector is ran by teenagers and students wanting to make pocket money - well its not. You seem to really look down your nose on anybody who works in the industry.

how is he pulling off a 40k a year nixer while claiming the dole, like what industry? Sounds like he has almost a full time job as well as signing on. AFAIK the social welfare allow you to work something like 16 or 18 hours a week and hang on to your dole but doubt they would allow someone make 40k and still hang on to it

Working in hospitality is physically tiring work. Apart from being on your feet all day the likes of chefs work under extreme pressure at peak service times and in very hot and tiny kitchens. Any job dealing with the public is mentally draining when done full time for 45 or 50 hours a week, it only takes a few arsehole customers to ruin your day and there are enough of them about to do so.

You are completely wrong in thinking the entire industry is mostly staffed by students. Go into any pub or hotel on a weekday and its not students working the shifts, its people will full time jobs in the industry. Students are used for peak times like weekends when its busier but the spine of the industry is people who arent studetnts who depend on the job to pay their rent, bills, food, etc and not just as some sideline to make some college drinking money and pay for their bus fares to college. There is around 120,000 people employed in hospitality in Ireland, at best students only make up about 25% or 30% of that number. All hotels and pubs have full time chefs, waiters, bar staff, receptionists, housekeepers and duty managers, the students are just there to supplement that for peak times.

No you didnt say that, what you said was

If you knew anything about the industry you would know that all the jobs are lower paid, managers are barely earning a euro or two an hour more than those they are managing.

Like I said the majority of people in the industry are working full time and are not students, they might have Monday and Tuesday off and then they work Wednesday through to Sunday every week with lots of lost time with their children. When I worked big events most of the casual staff werent even students, they were house wives who would be waitressing weddings and earning a few quid at the weekends while their husbands looked after their children. I still see that today when I go to weddings, there are students working for sure but there are also house wives too and theyre the ones running the show at any wedding venue that is worth its salt. Same with the chefs, same with the bar staff and behind the scenes the housekeepers too. You are forgetting that a hotel is a 24/7 operation, thats 168 hours a week that they need full time labour. A pub is open 98 hours a week, longer than anything in retail that opens 63 hours a week. Part timers are for peak, but full time roles are the majority. You dont run a hotel, pub or restaurant with students mostly as you said.

Tell us what or where did you work in hospitality that you found it such an easy job both physically and mentally? You certainty werent working in a kitchen thats for sure and food is the backbone of the industry, be it in pubs, hotels or restaurants.

Cash-in-hand, self-employment.

The 40k is an estimate, and it is gross. There are costs to be deducted, I doubt it's 40k pure profit.

unemployed only applies to those seeking employment

Compared to which generation? Had countless old people come in when I was working in service and retail telling me how lucky I was because those jobs weren't available when they were younger. Most Boomers didn't work jobs until they were older. Most millennials and Gen Xers I know didn't work a job until they were in their 20s. I know Gen Xers who lost their jobs during the crash and refused to work in retail or service because they felt it was below them so...I'm inclined to think many Irish mammy and daddys didn't get off their arses when they were young either.

Interesting article in the Irish Times this morning, puts a little perspective on the current crisis, some employers talking sense, others not.

In essence the sector is being currently being run by using inexperienced staff and will continue to do so for quite some time. I again reiterate the reasons for the crisis lay firmly at the door of Hospitality employer's (not all, but the vast majority). There's now another challenge, discretionary spending is reducing drastically due to cost of living crisis and gouging of epic proportions making an already bad situation, worse.

• Already deep employee dissatisfaction over a number of years.
• Poor wages, working conditions
• Pandemic lay offs instead of retaining staff through available wage subsidy schemes
• Staff moved on, better opportunities, wages and hours elsewhere
• Continued belittling of laid off staff throughout the pandemic by industry representatives
• No planning or even desire of employers to address the situation
• Reopen with poorly trained staff, belatedly start trying to recruit (A bit like the DAA debacle)
• Back to work permit programs (cheap labour) which will fail.
• Nowhere to house any potential non EU staff or indeed EU Staff.
• Gouging of epic proportions almost immediately.
• Customer dissatisfaction on many fronts including decreasing standards.
• Not enough training or bothered to do so.
• Additional costs for any potential Tourists including outrageous car hire and accommodation costs.
• Little Tourist accommodation left available because of the refugee crisis.

What could possibly go wrong 🤔

Add into the mix increased operating costs across the board.

And yet most employers in the sector still not getting it.