Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all! We have been experiencing an issue on site where threads have been missing the latest postings. The platform host Vanilla are working on this issue. A workaround that has been used by some is to navigate back from 1 to 10+ pages to re-sync the thread and this will then show the latest posts. Thanks, Mike.
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Am I being irrational??

2

Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 20 Duwek


    She had a cold and was being cautious due to covid. She was out and about again the day after, she just didn't want to be indoors with a big group. I'm not so cold hearted as to not have feeling for someone who is sick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭dublin49




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Liberty_Bear


    I would have included that in your original post (I mean that in a nice way). Maybe let it slide.



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    It's one of two things. Either the lack of card was intentional or unintentional. if it was unintentional then they forgot or got their wires crossed. if it was intentional then the reasons can only be that they dont believe in such gestures, they couldnt afford it or they hate your guts...oh or they are scabby bastards. Now we can probably rule out that they hate your guts since you assert that you are close. if theyve bought xmas and birthday gifts for you kid in the past then they are not scabby bastards. That just leaves that they couldn't afford it and if this was the case your bro would have said "listen, homey, I'm a bit squeezed at the moment. ". After that we just have (a) they dont agree with such things or (b) it was an oversight.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Hmm. Maybe I'm cynical but I suspect she and your brother had a disagreement over the card and she said "well, if you're not giving the child a card I'm not going to be embarrassed, so I'm not going!"

    Is your brother a bit tight?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭standardg60


    A possibility, some posters declaring it an oversight don't seem to have read the thread, said daughter has never received a birthday card either

    I would find it hard to believe that any brother would not give one based on their wife's instruction to their own niece, so personally i would have no issue having a quiet word with him and asking wtf?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,997 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I think by asking the question you know there are bigger issues in the world.

    However, that said, when you feel it's your child being slighted rationality goes out the window.

    We're one of those couples that I look after my side he does his (or rather doesn't) I'm not his mother/secretary/personal assistant so if he shows up with his arms swinging that's on him.

    Personally I think it's bad form to show up to any party without something for host or the person of honour.

    Even if the card was a total oversight he could have slipped her some cash when he got there and the penny dropped.

    I think because they don't give this particular child a birthday card/present you are probably already in a state of hyper awareness of any slight that they may do (to the child) even if it's completely innocent.

    Personally I wouldn't say anything to them, there's really no way you can frame it where you don't come out looking bad.

    Once your child had a good day that's all that matters. Don't let it be tarnished over a few quid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20 Duwek


    Thanks for replies, I needed to rant and it was great to get your views.

    I think you're right, my sister in law probably just left it up to my brother and he is a man and just not overly clued in to whats right and wrong when attending occasions like that as his wife probably normally looks after things like that.

    They're both good people, I suppose I was curious as much as anything as to what they're thinking was and yes, I probably was hyper sensitive about the whole thing as they've never given anything to this daughter but do spoil my other girl.



  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭Xidu


    Really? Thought 50 for close family and 20 for normal friends and relatives are norm.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,714 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Not remotely irrational to think as you are, and as you say, it has nothing to do with money. It’s all to do with thought!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Its nothing to do with thought. If it was to do with thought, then coming to the celebration would be enough. Spending time with the child throughout the year would be enough. Being interested in the child would be enough. "Thought" seems to be measured in money...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,997 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I don't overly agree with this.

    When you notice one of your children being treated differently to the other it raises your hackles.

    While I understand spoiling your godchild and buying the bigger present etc to totally leave out a sibling especially when the sibling is your niece/nephew is not very nice.

    Also it could be argued that they are not really spending time with the child but with their godchild....and the other child just happens to be there.

    Now if neither child got presents etc I would totally agree with you as people giving up their time and being "present" is far more valuable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    As a man of limited means what I tend to do, is I ration all out equally that way if everybody’s equally disappointed then so be it but at least they got their share of the spoils.



  • Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭penny piper


    Why show you are bothered??? you don't have to be the same......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Ah. But you're into splitting hairs here. You're suggesting it's obvious they will treat one better than the other but then being surprised that they've treated one better than the other.

    If it was about the 'thought', as I was responding to, then thoughts wouldn't be measured in € inside a card. Thoughts would be measured in spending time with the child and giving up free time to show up to the event. This has nothing to do with thought.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,997 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    Well the OP says that they are really good to the other child, as the SIL is the godmother but they never give so much as a birthday card to the communion child....so that's fairly obviously treating them differently.

    It would have been a nice gesture for the day that's in it to give a card.

    They didn't and life moves on but I can understand the momma bear instinct surfacing and the OP being miffed over it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,714 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    That’s pure bull…and deflection

    would you post the same bull if it was for the child’s birthday as well?

    not even a card for his niece’s communion. Oh, but he thinks about her, spends time blah blah blah

    stick a few Bob in a card for the child..

    ffs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    This is the most money centric thread I have read here in a whole. Well done OP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,714 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Btw, forgetting about the money. Chap didn’t even bother to buy a card!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,997 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    To be fair communions and confirmations are all about the money.

    It was the same when I made mine which is not yesterday.

    The hot topic of conversation will be how much you made and what are you buying.

    You will hear the expression when referring to anyone who is tight/stingy with money "they still have their communion money"

    It is completely the norm to give money or a gift , so when a member of your immediate family who you are close to doesn't do that it will make you wonder.

    I remember getting 50p off an elderly couple, back when 50p was enough to induce a diabetic coma, just because they saw me prancing about in the dress.

    The whole thing is money centric.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,714 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Some a the nonsense here from folks trying to paint this as being about money/capitalism/greed.

    They’re young children for chrissske, and it’s a few little Euro that puts smiles on their faces. Their own few Bob to go the shops and buy their toys or sweets or whatever young children like. We were all children once.

    I wouldn’t dare dream of not getting a card and putting few Bob in it for my nieces or nephews, no matter how much time I spent with them.

    and if my siblings came to a communion or birthday for my child and didn’t bother to get a card and put a few Bob in it, I’d be disappointed. Nothing to do with money. All to do with children and thought.

    the nonsense argument about spending time with them and it shouldn’t be about money is what you’d expect a tight arse to say.

    do people think the young children are like “oh, uncle Bill does spend time with me and talks to me. I don’t need any gifts or presents or a few Bob for my birthday/communion.”

    you can do both: spend time with children and be good with them, as well as sticking a few fooking quid in a card once in a while for their little special occasions.

    Post edited by walshb on


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I don’t have an issue with it being all about the money. I just find it irritating if it needs to masked as anything but, which is exactly what is happening here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭Xidu


    Agree.

    kids all getting money for communion n confirmation.

    and kids talk about to their friends about it. It’s exciting for them coz they don’t own money.

    my kids got 50 from grandparents, 20-25 from relatives, neighbors.

    but they were too young to use them.

    so I put in Revolut junior for them.

    my daughter got over 500 for confirmation and she is delighted.

    and it’s good to see herself planning her little budget on stuff she wants to buy. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Well, I was responding to the poster who said it wasn't about money, it was about the "thought". It's not about the "thought". Unless thought is measures in euros. In which case it is about the money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,997 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I think it's more the op is wondering if others would be miffed if their sibling didn't give their child something on their communion.

    I can honestly say I would be hurt. I've given to all their kids, there's a big age gap between my siblings and me so I've been buying presents for my nieces and nephews since I was 9 years old....so yeah I'd be bloody fuming. (That said mine won't be making communion/confirmation)

    While you don't give with the expectation of getting back....to have your child slighted in any way will cause many a parent to step back and reevaluate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,714 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    It’s all about thought..

    I am saying it as well. I couldn’t give a fook about the money. It’s not like parents need their children’s communion money. It’s the knowing that your family put in the thought to buy a card and put a little treat in the card to make a child’s day, your child’s day that little nicer.

    you need to get away from seeing this as a simple monetary/transaction type thing. It’s in your head that it’s about the physical money.

    no different than Christmas time. You spend a few Bob to make children happy. It’s money, but it’s the little enjoyment children get that is the key…

    I don’t spend time with my nieces and nephews to then think it’s ok to then use that to not spend a few quid on them for whatever the special occasion.

    it’s what the children are expecting that you are missing. The children live for the little gift in the card (the money). Parents know this, and hence, when no card/money, it is a let down…parents will rightly feel a little disappointed because their children are!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Ugh. Ffs, you're the second or third poster to make this mistake so I'll spell it out for you.

    This poster said it has nothing to do with money, apparently its all to do with "thought"

    How can you say it's not about money and then imply I'm a tightarse so saying it shouldn't be about money?

    Ypu seem to see thought and money as the same thing. Is thought measured in money, to you? In that case, how is it not about money?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,714 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    You’re the one hung up on the monetary aspect…money is simply the gift the children expect. You haven’t a fooking clue!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Is money the only way you can make a child's day a bit nicer? Because if not is, then I thinknots you who has this idea about money in your head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,714 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Who said money is the only way you can make a child’s day?

    communions and birthdays for children are where young children thrive on and get such joy from gifts/money: How you cannot see this is odd..

    so tell us how these young children on their birthdays and communions are made happier?



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭Eire Go Brach


    He is your brother and your close to him. Just ring him and say it to him?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    The OP’s stance is clear from the start. They want to be reinforced in their belief that they were wronged because they clearly had a set of expectations.

    But then I also don’t know what it feels like if you are being slighted (by extension via your child). Maybe it depends on the viewpoint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I asked you of you think money is the only way to "make a child's day a bit happier". You seem to imply it is. So I asked you to clear it up.

    I'm not hung up on the monetary aspect. You're insisting the monetary aspect is essential.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,714 ✭✭✭✭walshb



    Children historically in Ireland making their communion : big part their day is making some money.

    A close family member gives nothing. No card and no money on a child’s big day.

    Any Irish parent saying that this wouldn’t bother them at all is talking gick.

    same for child’s birthday. Close family member no card/gift. Same: parents will be naturally disappointed.

    why? Because their children naturally expect that gift/acknowledgement on these special occasions. Parents will naturally be bothered because their children are.

    it’s very easy to get this and understand this.

    hence poster is being nothing but normal, and not at all irrational



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    “parents will be naturally disappointed.

    why? Because their children naturally expect that gift/acknowledgement on these special occasions. Parents will naturally be bothered because their children are.”

    says it all really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,714 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes, it’s called nature. When your child is unhappy for whatever reason, sometimes parents will be as well.

    and something like a close family member not giving the thought and kindness to mark a special occasion in a child’s life will naturally see a wee bit disappointment



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,714 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Whatever it is, it happens. And society and experiences influence how we feel naturally.

    I can only speak for myself: I see nothing irrational from a parent feeling disappointed here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,948 ✭✭✭sporina


    I don't think your being irrational at all... esp as you took them all out for a meal.. its the same as being asked to a wedding.. you give a gift/card with cash - what ever...

    Not saying that this is right or wrong.. its just the norm...

    But I don't think you can do anything about it OP?

    Q - are they frugal or? like, do they spend money on loved ones in general? (I know you said they spoil your other daughter)

    Would be great if you could somehow find out if they usually give cards to the kids who's Birthday parties that they have been invited to.

    If they do, then perhaps this was just a mishap... as the wife could not go..

    You just have to ask yourself - would this be normal of them or not? In any event I am sure its not personal..



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 20 Duwek


    I know how petty it would sound if I said it to him. I'm not that close to him that I'd be so comfortable to spill all my thoughts out to him.

    If I did say it, I'd be the bad guy at the end of that conversation!!

    I'm curious to know why they thought my daughter wasn't worthy of a little treat for her Communion when they know very well it is the done thing and I'm sure if it was someone else's Communion they would have given a card.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20 Duwek


    I genuinely don't know if they are generous to others or not. I wouldn't have this conversation with any of our family or friends as it really does sound awfully petty. Its easier to bash it out when you're anonymous!

    I have a feeling they do what they have to do and wouldn't go beyond that. They wouldn't ever bring anything to the house when they call for a visit like a bottle of wine or sweets for the kids whereas I would never call to a house empty handed. Thats just me though. It hasn't ever bothered me that they don't bring anything but this lack of gesture for my daughters Communion has bothered me. I wish it didn't but it does.

    I'm just wondering how they would feel nextvyear if none of our family gave their girl a card for her Communion. I know they would be upset for her.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    You could just avoid the whole money topic and set up a collective therapy fund, so everyone who got traumatised by this situation can prevail?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭standardg60


    It's up to you OP, most people don't like confrontation but it will nag you if you don't have a quiet word with your brother and express your feelings. At the very least it would force him to say something like he only believes in giving something to his godchild, and then at least you will know where you stand.

    Otherwise just chalk him down as mean, i imagine your other siblings have maybe copped this already. Hope it hasn't affected your daughter, if she's never received a birthday card from him i imagine it hasn't?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,997 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I wouldn't mention it to him at all. It will bring you into a world of awkwardness.

    Are your parents alive? You could maybe work it into conversation with them or a sibling who has had a communion child.

    Something along the lines of " I was putting Sarah's communion cards on display, she got a great collection people are so generous. Easy knowing Julie was sick no card from their gang, Brian is totally hopeless at life admin" say it in a joking manner.

    Your answer might be a laugh with "Brian! Sure he still has his communion money, none of mine got anything either"

    Or

    " Yeah Julie looks after all that, otherwise no one would get anything, he's a total lost cause"

    Or

    "That's strange, Brian has always been generous to mine they all get cards for birthdays etc, he must have forgotten it, no doubt you'll get it the next time you see him, god love him he must have been mortified when he realized"


    Or something like that, just keep the tone light.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,943 ✭✭✭YellowLead


    OP I’m not sure why the lack of communion card/money bothers you when years of your daughter never getting birthday cards/presents didn’t. Surely the precedent had already been set?

    If none of this bothers your daughter then I don’t get the big deal. I know at that age my son would not have noticed who did/didn’t give money at his communion.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,948 ✭✭✭sporina


    so going by all that perhaps you should really not be surprised that they did not give your daughter a card for her communion.. ?

    they sound v stingy... like you, I never go into a house with one arm as long as the other (as my Mum would say).. I always bring something.. even if its just a pack of bickies..

    Q was your daughter upset by the fact that she did not get a card from them?

    you could say it to him, or not.. up to you.. but if I wer you, I would.. (not in a confrontational way...).. just be honest... "listen kinda disappointed you didn't give my daughter a card.. just saying.."..

    but please don't let it prevent you from giving their child a card for their communion etc.. that would not be cool..



  • Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭Ladybird25


    Firstly I completely get you, I would definitely be bothered. That being said, I would do nothing about it.

    Money, as little as it could be, it only brings problems. You're close to him and his family and I am sure you don't want that to change. Next year when it's the communion on their side give or gift as you would anyway and don't go making comments unless they bring it up themselves.

    It may has been an oversight or giving gifts does not come natural to them, it happens. Don't let it be an issue on your side, nobody is getting richer or poorer for that card and family comes first.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Pissy Missy


    You have every right to feel hurt by this. You put in the effort and thoughtfulness to your family and when it's not returned it can be hurtful. Of course, they may have forgotten with the sister in law being sick etc. I think don't say it to them because it's probably not worth falling out over but you can return the gesture next time round for good measure unless you're feeling particularly generous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,948 ✭✭✭sporina


    I wonder, are some people not into "giving/gifting" or it is just being tight?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Either forgot about it or was out to stick it to you, which is most likely?

    I'd say mistake and let it go. I find the whole tradition awkward.



  • Advertisement
Advertisement