Texas School shooting 19 children and 2 adults murdered

Some schools have taken action. I presume these signs predate recent events in Texas.

Any action apart from support legislation that will reduce gun ownership.

Well I assume they support the status quo here so it's hard to know what to say. They shouldn't expect a difference.

The point I was trying to make was that 40 guns don't make the individual more of a risk, they can't use them all. The only situation where they're more of a risk is when they're stolen and distributed to multiple new owners with bad intentions.

I also pointed out that I thought it was irresponsible that people with a single shotgun in Ireland don't have to have a safe. I think everyone should have their gun/s behind some kind of security. I bought a safe at the same time as my first shotgun and I've only increased the security from there.

I don't know exactly where the law sits on this in the US, but it seems like irresponsible storage only becomes an issue after someone gets hurt or killed.

Arming teachers is ok but what about training them? You hardly want untrained student and untrained teacher shooting wildly at each other with high risk of collateral damage/casualties.

Maybe the solution is to replace teachers with soldiers from the army/police officers? They might be dumb as rocks in terms of educating but they know how to shoot which is most important it seems.

They could use the prison blueprint to secure schools.

Heavily fortified buildings, large, armed security staff that are present everywhere, locked doors that can only be opened by security staff in armoured control rooms and teachers, cleaning and lunchroom staff also armed.

I'm sure there are many republicans who already have some very good pals that would only be too happy to bribe their way into a contract.

This would then tie in nicely into the gated communities that the well-off will use to shield themselves from the riffraff that live in the third world part of the US.

The US will just be a small elite that uses fortification and armed security personnel to isolate themselves from the rest.

Then the US will finally resemble Brasil. A third world sh*t show.

It's not really a solution. Teachers are supposed to teach. Once you start talking about having to neutralise armed intruders, you're going into the realm of a whole other job which would require another set of qualifications and training. Also, I would argue that if you're charged with the responsibility of defending the lives of your students with lethal force if necessary, you'd be entitled to a significant bump in pay.

But all of this is just rearranging the deck chairs and skirting the real issues. It's fundamentally f*cked up that you can't go about your daily business as a peaceful citizen without the nagging fear of being actively targeted and killed by an armed maniac, and it's even more f*cked up that this phenomenon is a regular occurrence in the USA, and for all intents and purposes a normalised one. Normalised enough that any one of these events, no matter how heinous, creates no significant change to prevent them happening again. What the hell has gone wrong in the minds of Americans that this is even a thing?

More guns cannot be the answer. It contravenes the first law of holes, i.e. "When you're in a hole, stop digging." Get rid of the guns or get rid of the maniacs. One or the other or both.

Be interesting to see if the police actually face any repercussions for not entering the building quickly enough. It may effect whether teachers would volunteer to be responsible for holding the guns in their school. Like if a teacher has that responsible to protect the school and fail to engage a shooter wearing body armour and armed to the teeth, could the teacher be fired/ be charged with some crime?

I would certainly expect some media style blow back. If they can't blame the doors for getting kids shot they will happily blame a teacher.

That only works up until the point that daily life becomes untenable and public discontent overwhelming. One thing that many people must have noticed is that it's no longer just the American left who are railing against the societal failings of economic neo-liberalism and unregulated markets. It was a big part of Trump's platform, promising to bring back jobs from China and revitalise parts of America decimated by the exportation of labour, for example. That rugged individualism which gives succour to the more obnoxious forms of right-wing politics will not give infinite room to beat people down. It'll give room up to a point and then break quite rapidly.

I didn't say it cannot be changed. I said the government can’t just change the constitution.

In case you didn't realize that also applies to Ireland. The people can change the constitution via a majority referendum, the government cannot.

Thanks but I do know how our constitution works, and btw I never said the US government should change the constitution, I just said it should be changed.