What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

It's not difficult to see why they would be disadvantaged.

Lets take a look at the situation in DP here, which, until recently had the following issues which align with your list

DP centers, by design, were kept separated from the community

Those who were in DP seeking asylum were prohibited from working and were instead given a tiny allowance

See previous point

They were not permitted to enter 3rd level education and couldn't afford to even if they were as they were, in general, non-EEA citizens and so would face far higher fees.

They were prohibited from working. When that changed there were so many restrictions and conditions placed on the ability to work, most employers baulked at the idea and wouldn't hire anyone in DP. I posted the list of restrictions and conditions previously, it's honestly insane and includes things like employers being open to audit at random for all employment records for all staff if they hire a single AS.

Thankfully this is all changing now as its been acknowledged that AS are generally worse of due to the situation we put them in because of how we designed the system.

Fixing the design of that system will fix a lot of the issues on your list.

As the current system is the root cause of so many of the issues you highlighted, then yes, fixing the system will address a lot of those issues. Not all issues and not for all people, but for a lot of people.

I guess we'll have to wait and see how effective the changes will be as it's too early to say yet.

It's an interesting dynamic tbh. I chose Asia to live in for the last decade and a bit, which is incredibly resistant to foreign culture. Oh, sure, on the surface and in the most superficial of terms, American (or even British) culture is seen to be embraced, but any digging below the immediate surface shows that they've only adopted the image, and not the core aspects related to it. And when foreigners go to live in Asia, culture shock is definitely a consideration (although I didn't suffer it until I returned to the West). Most westerners who go to Asia don't stay longer than a year or two, or will go out of their way to establish communities of foreign people, with little real interaction with the native people. So, western bars, cafes, even convenience stores pop up, so that westerners can live in a bubble separate from the native population, except for a few quick trips out when there's little choice otherwise... and you see it with the natives, who while initially welcoming and forgiving of cultural oops, don't really extend acceptance to the foreigner. You will always be a foreigner, regardless of speaking the language, getting married, having kids etc.. and the expectation by natives is that, at some point, you will leave. Very few westerners manage to settle permanently in Asian countries, and those that do are living on the fringes, having created their own little worlds.

And this isn't exclusive to Asia. I did a stint in Africa as a volunteer, and came into contact with many westerners who were either doing the same, or were living there long-term, but again, the general expectation was that they would leave at some point. White people who stayed in Africa were always separate from the local community, not from choice, but because of the distrust, suspicion, and wariness of the local people. And who could blame them, considering their histories, not simply with foreigners but with others of their own race.

Living in Asia or Africa, you have no real supports beyond what you can pay for. Without money, you're screwed, although connections can sometimes help (except people are very quick to remind you when you owe them, and remarkably hard to find when they owe you). Very few governments in Asia or Africa have any kind of supports for foreigners, and in most cases, legally there will be preferential treatment given to native claims over foreign claims. Which is extremely common in countries like S.Korea or Japan who are often held up as being the most westernised nations, and yet, they're really very very different from us.

It's an interesting one. TBH I suspect the people pushing for multiculturalism in the west have never spent any extensive time in foreign countries. They'll live in Australia, the US, or maybe HK/Singapore, but avoid living in the very cultures that they push to be established here. I figure it's the reason why the focus is entirely on the positives, because their own personal experiences of such cultures is limited to the tourist areas, on planned/safe group tours , or living in foreign compounds. Limited, safe, and without any real understanding of how normal people of that particular culture live. Of course, anything negative in that culture is limited geographically, and not tied to the culture, so transplanting these people into the west won't transfer the negatives of that culture, even while they're promoting that the entire culture be accepted.

TBH I think the west is pretty much screwed at this point. Western culture is remarkably weak against other cultural groups. Oh, sure, countries might tighten immigration policies, and reduce the impact of mass immigration, but the basic foreign populations have already established themselves, and their rights have been assured. Relatively easy to expand those rights as needed and given a bit of time.

Oh, and there is a white flight ongoing from Western nations moving into Asia. Although there is no expectation that Asian countries should change.. in fact, most foreigners I know are hopeful that Asian cultures will remain as they are, and not change to suit the foreign communities. Interesting times.

The vast majority of immigrants, and refugees to this country have been able to work, as part of the visas extended to them. The one that's interesting is that foreign spouses of Irish people have to jump through more hoops before getting permission to work here.. whereas normal immigrants and refugees don't have to jump through the same hoops. Asylum seekers are something of a special case, so they really shouldn't be used as any example of the norm, but the restrictions on being able to work were lifted pretty quickly once the activists started complaining about it.

But then, it's all smoke and mirrors to avoid any focus on the connections between culture and long-term unemployment or any other negative in society.

Try harder

Except it's not. Historically, (and for all practical purposes) natural/automatic assimilation didn't destroy the migrants original cultural background. It merely replaced that which was primary. Within their own homes, within their extended families, etc that original culture was capable of co-existing in the background. Plenty of ethnic/cultural groups existed in Western nations for centuries, while conforming to the dominant host nations culture for all important (public) aspects of living.

Ethnic cleansing and genocide are linked... assimilation is not. At least not by anyone who doesn't have skin in the game to push for integration.

Still... as you've pointed out the importance of integration, perhaps you could answer my previous post about it? It's only a few posts above the one you quoted.