Obi Wan Kenobi - Disney+ (may contain spoilers)

Kenobi knows that Anakin was rechristened as Darth Vader. He just didn't know that he was still alive.

But yeh, how yer wan Reva knows this better be good.

It's social media. Scumbaggery, idiocy and sociopathic behaviour is endemic on it, and they do it because they can and get away with it. Sadly it's inescapable at this point.

Also. Regarding Leia outrunning the adults. First through a crowded street that she can work through easier. Then over roof... while, y'know, they were a wee bit distracted what with shooting at eachother/dodging. (Or coming from further away).

And yeah, I thought you could very easily see her growing up to be Leia. As I said, I mainly put her precociousness down to her being a Jedi. And a literal princess. About the only issue I wad was with the convenient lenience of the main inquisitor. (I'm actually surprised Kenobi's first words weren't "Well hello there" or that Bail/his wife didn't come out with "Help me/us Obi-Wan. You're our only hope")

It's Rose Tico all over again 😤

This toxicity (especially from genre "fans") really annoys me. Look at the torrent of abuse that Kelly Marie Tran received. For no other reasons than she was Asian and a woman. Those films had some problems (And some good points) but the hatred she received by these mom's-basement-dwelling neckbeard man-child keyboard warriors. It was just appalling. You'd swear she was the single sole reason for the films being bad. It was absolutely disgusting and there is NO reason AT ALL other than racism and misogyny. Zero. None at all!

There is also no pleasing them. Keep it too close to previous canon and it's slammed for being boring/a repeat. Deviate even the slightest and the world is ending and you have ruined their childhood. Heaven forbid you bring in a SINGLE female character that isn't simply there to be hot.

Oh please, you're telling me that the racist abuse is because of the way the character is written? We're two episodes in and it's far too soon to say how the character will go. Are we forgetting the massive amounts of racism aimed at John Boyega when people thought he was going to be a Jedi?

I have no idea where you're getting the idea that it was a racist scene, when clearly it was based on the fact that Reva is the weakest of the Inquisitors and he's the strongest.

edit: Also, if you think discrimination has never been a thing in Star Wars you got some reading to do. Did you not wonder why the Empire is like, 99% humans?

There's never any pleasing of fans these days and judging by the looks of this post, you yourself! Why even bring them into it? They will do what they do. Quite baffled by this racism thing that has emerged on the thread but then again I'm just watching what's happening. The response to her single-mindedness is not remotely shocking, Big Bad guy threatens minion is a long past even being a well worn cliché. It remains to be seen how her character develops but she's not off to a good start with the furniture chewing IMO.

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Ewan McGregor reacts to THAT Obi-Wan Kenobi meme

^^^ Contains spoiler trailer scenes

I don't know if you read my post but I genuinely liked the episodes so far. One minor niggling point which was not a deal breaker. I am not precious about Star Wars or anything I grew up with really.

I just found the hatred aimed at young Leia to be very predictable (Even before reading this thread I knew what was going to be said.). I must admit, for some reason, I didn't expect to see the hatred at Reva (Although, to be honest, I should have).

Anyway, that's all I'm going to say about toxic genre "fandom": It's prejudice wrapped up under the guise of fandom really. You are, of course, entitled to agree/disagree.

Looking forward to the next episode. It's certainly making up for the damp squib that was Boba Fett.

Like it myself and just letting the episodes lay themselves out! It's now set down some of its key pointers for the series. I'm not convinced by the Reva character so far but not annoyed by her (yet!). If she's just a cardboard baddie so be it, she's far from being the first one in Star Wars!

Social media is Chinatown. Don't even attempt to try and rationalise it S2K. You won't be able to.

As for Lucas intending Star Wars to be for kids. That wasn't the case in 1977. In fact he specifically said that he didn't want to make a "silly child's film". He kinda retconned that, along with many other things, later on as a sort of get out of jail card for how nonsensical it all became.

Yeah, it certainly does feel like a leisurely retreat to safety of a fallback position. But after the shambles of the new movies (Rogue One excepted) I suppose it's to be expected. Disney just don't know what to do with Star Wars, and I've said it a thousand times. Which still seems remarkable in any case. However, yeah, it's another case of using the cushion of an old familiar character as a cheap boost, while someone (anyone) struggles to come up with an actual new character that doesn't completely suck. I only hope poor old Ben doesn't go the way of Han, Luke, The Emperor, Boba, etc and get thoroughly diminished in the process.

'The Mandalorian' certainly wasn't without its flaws, that's for sure and at the end of the day, he was really just a riff on Fett. But, at least, it was kinda someone else to watch in the galaxy. Like you, I'm so so tired of the Skywalkers. Doubly so after the complete destruction of them in the sequels. So it was refreshing to spend a bit of time with a "new" character for a bit. My problem with the Mandalorian now though is that his story is sort of over? It's hard to know where it can go now.

Lamentable and completely foreseeable. But I just tune out of these things. The problem with those types is that they make it difficult to offer genuine criticisms of a character's flaws, even if that's a terribly first world "problem". Although I do think that there's genuine critical points to be made about Reva's character, mannerisms and motivations as they stand and Ingram's effort has been sort of poor so far. Racially abusing an actor or actress for appearing in a TV show/movie though...I don't think I'll ever really get my head around that kinda nonsense. Some real mental issue stink coming off of all that stuff.

I enjoyed the first couple of episodes and am looking forward to the rest. But I want this to be the end of what they are now calling the Skywalker Saga/Cycle. I agree with you 100% regarding seeing new people (I still loves ya. Lol). Posted elsewhere that yeah, I don't want to see another story about Skywalkers or Solos or Calrissians or whatever. It makes the whole universe small. I get it. The first 6 movies were the rise, fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. Now that's fine. Move on. I mentioned that the most interesting thing I liked about The Last Jedi was that Rey was nobody. I thought that was excellent (and we know how that went). They have thousands of years they could focus on. I don't even want another Jedi/Sith show (Although I suspect I am very much in the minority there). Sure, they exist in this world bit try something new.

Disney is beginning to stagnate again. Remake after remake, overemphasis on existing franchises. Not willing to risk. They have a wonderful does called Owl House (which I also mentioned elsewhere and heartily recommend). Beautiful animated show from some of the team behind Gravity Falls. Last season has been severely cut down. Not because of ratings or reviews. Not even its pro-LGBTQ stance (which will immediately put some of the perma-triggered off. Insert "Woke" comment here. Good. Don't need their biggotry). But simply because execs think it is not "on brand" with Disney's current output.

They have their platform. Now it's the time to experiment. I'm not saying abandon their legacy. I'm not saying let's remake Star Wars with an all LGBTQ cast. I'm not saying recast Luke to be a Latina woman. Or making Nick Fury error (again). I'm dating they should do something different.

I actually think the actress is not bad (did i see her before in movie or something, forgettable but I have no negative memory on her ha), is because the Reva character is written poorly (so far...) so the actor is just doing her job.

The social response (bully) is ridiculous as always (i dont follow them closely but ya i would hear something if the noise gets loud) but maybe I can see where this is coming from. Is because most of these new Disney shows came out in the past 2 years (those Marvels shows...) are kind of 'bait and switch', basically sh!tting on the characters that people love for a long time (and usually replaced them by something/someone else). Like the show supposed to be about Boba and literally gets hijacked into a season 2.5 Mando...and oh god yes Boba image in my mind is no longer the cool meme best bounty hunter 😂

For an Obiwan show, we are supposed to expect Obiwan+inquisitor as the main plot, and get some leia/luke side stories maybe.

So this Reva 3rd sister looks interesting from the trailer but then when people see her sh!t on the inquisitor (it is funny as i said before the grand inquisitor just chill out when she is being rude/disobedient and he couldn't deflect her attack get stabbed just like that), and she is the one delivering the key Vader info to Obiwan. See, none of us knows what is this 3rd sister character but suddenly the audience is forced to accept that oh she is important and powerful and...she is obsessed and has been chasing Obiwan for 10 years.

I can see the frustration from those fans and probably very worried that she might literally took over the show that is supposed to be 'Obiwan' aha (like if the second half of the show turned into 'Reva's origin story' lol).

Oh god please let me be wrong ('Reva's origin story' sounds very plausible after i typed it out lmao).

Nostalgia is not just a Disney phenomenon, it's all the way through the entertainment industry. In this case it looks like a gentle stroll through what Ben did next. In that kind of approach there will be lots of nods to please the fans. I've enjoyed the first two in that it's familiar enough territory and it's not irritating. That's about as good as it gets for some series and this is just another series. If there is one thing I am grateful to Netflix for is that it's now perfectly fine to simply drop stuff you don't like, rather than just grimly hang on.

A good episode elevated by an iconic villain, and they finally nailed his voice.

I get where you are coming from regarding "Being a kids show" and I'm kinf of with you/not with you on this. Bit on the fence :)

It's not so much that the originals were "For kids". It's more that, when (Most of us) saw them first, we were kids. So these are entwined with our youth. I remember knowing, at the time that Jedi came out that Lucas was going to start making 1-3 soon (lol) and that it would end in Obi-wan and Anakin fighting and Anakin falling into a volcano (Not too far from how it ended up).

So we all remember Empire (Justifiably) being the best, Jedi being the weakest and Star Wars (No "A new Hope back in MY day) being awesome too. But looking back, my God, there is some creaky dialogue in Star Wars. But, as a kid, you don't care.

So, it's not that "It's for kids". It's more like "Well, we want this to be accessible for all so we'll dumb it down a bit and won't take any risks in case we lose our audience.". It's not something I agree with. Look at the complex and interesting storylines of Avater the Last Airbender animated series (NOT the movie). Or the three-dimentional characters in it (Ironically, MUCH more three-dimensional than the "movie"). And that was a MASSIVE hit across all ages. Kids are not idiots.

The first time they tried to do something different (As above, making Rey a nobody) there was FURY!!!! And they caved.

I loved Rogue 1. IT took risks by having almost an entirely new cast. The throwbacks to Star Wars were logical (even if the implementation was a bit iffy at times). That beach battle scene was excellent. A war movie battle scene that just so happened to have AT-ATs. Which is one of the reasons why I really like the look of Andor..

So, tldr (BAU for me): While I agree it's not "Just for kids", I do believe that we all grew up with Star Wars. Too many people are too precious about it which leads to an unwillingness to take risks and a pandering. And that can lead to uninspired storytelling.

I dont think its fair to label them fans, they are just creeps on the internet looking for wokeness to criticise. The writing and acting of both the main inquisitors is bad but at least the creeps are not going after the yoing leia actress like they did after the yoing anakin actor years ago. Just shows social media has been like this for years.

Saw the first two episodes and I thought they were poor. As others have said the main villain is terrible, she's just not scary or intimidating. I think the main problem I think is the absence of Jon Favreau and dave F.

I hooe so i thought she was one of few interesting characters in that movie. I guess it depends on whether they plan on making a sequel to it.

The Inquisition finds out about Maul and goes after him during rebels, he's also obsessed with Obi wan too.

So I assume Obi Wan gets his mojo back and defeats Vader somehow. Otherwise the "When I left you I was but the learner. Now, I am the master" from New Hope doesnt make sense.

Personally, I wouldn't advise thinking of Reva is the main villain. Vader is the main villain. Reva wants to be the main villain, as do the other Inquisitors.