2021-22 UEFA Champions League

Yip, I was there myself at that one.

Its probably down to the system being used by the stadium.

In my experience the paper ticket or phone ticket is the norm. Definitely still paper in any UK or Irish stadium I was in.

What was the story with all Liverpool fans on the stairways and not in their seats? Were they put into the wrong sections or what?

The French not wanting to be at fault and blaming the issue on the English is predictable, but UEFA taking the French at their word and blaming one side is what’s shocking. They’re the administrators of the event and it should be up to them to determine how it went so badly.

It was poorly handled, short notice and a strike in a station on the side of the stadium to be used by Liverpool fans meant a lot of entrances were closed, which made things more difficult for the French police and gave more opportunity to people without tickets to get in. This strike was known about and they decided to try and heard the fans around like cattle with pepper spray. A complete organisational disaster that’s been corroborated across the board, and should have given reason for UEFA to challenge the French version of events.

UEFA have had their last 2 showpiece events marred by similar scenes, eventually that’s going to hurt their pockets.

No. I just asked which side you are on.

There's a lot of underhand comments being thrown around this thread so clearing it up first time would have been nice.

Clearly are beating about the bush, again. Dodging the simple question.

All your comments are centred around the French stadiums never having troubles before, so it looks like you are blaming the fans for what happened and believing the concocted stories by the French officials.

It was easy blame "scumbag" fans. Problem was instead of piling on the "respectable" fans backed up the other fans story and now they are caught rotten because there can be no Hillsborough style victim blaming.

You keep bringing up this “side” bs just because you have brought it to a level of England v France. Most of us are on the side of the unfortunate patrons going to and from the game, doesn’t matter whether they were English, Spanish, French, Irish or wherever. Why are you trying to get people to take the side of England or France just because you are? It’s a ridiculous angle.

I mean, they key difference between both is that France are baselessly blaming the English for it. After the Euro final nobody was attempting to blame the Italians, and there was absolutely recognised shortcomings that day - so it’s disappointing that France couldn’t admit the same here. And I’d expect nothing less from any set of fans accused of causing it to defend themselves - letting comments like this go would end up giving them an undeserved reputation at future tournaments.

klopp getting blamed now

The rhetoric from the French side is just crazy, throwing out scenarios and explanations before any sort of official review.

First it was "fans arrived too late to the stadium causing a delay". This is very false.

Then here is what the Minister for sport said after the game blaming violence from one nationality of fans of one team:

"Bravo realmadrid

for this 14th title in #LigueDesChampions ! The attempts of intrusion and fraud by thousands of English fans have complicated the work of stewards and police forces but will not tarnish this victory. Violence has no place in the stadiums." https://twitter.com/AOC1978/status/1530687125498351616

Then it became a farcical figure of "industrial level fraud" of 30,000 - 40,000 fans turning up at the stadium with fake or no tickets. Again, easily disproven and false.

Now it's blaming Jurgen Klopp for saying fans should come without a ticket even though the authorities were fine with that and laid on a fanzone with 3 massive screens for them to watch the game on.

It seems like they are trying to claim that the 30,000 - 40,000 fans who watched at the fanzone and pubs all came to the stadium and caused the delays.

No mention of why Police vans were parked to create a pinch point under a bridge.

Why ticket checks didn't work or stopped being done at that point.

Why all the gates were shut.

Why and how local youths in droves were allowed past the perimeter and near the turnstiles.

Why tear gas was deployed indiscriminately on the waiting fans posing no threat on the other side of a fence.

Why people with genuine tickets were told the were fake, including relatives and friends of players and club officials, journalists and corporate guests.

Why the ticket scanners didn't work scanning as red multiple times before scanning green.

Why some stewards asked for a bribe to get entry from genuine ticket holders.

Why people were waved in without a ticket check.

Why the Madrid end didn't have the same pinch point set up.

Why journalists were prevented filming.

Why a message was displayed in the stadium saying that fans arrived to the stadium late.

Why journalists were told to remove accreditation and would be denied entry if they didn't delete video footage.

Why riot police were deployed to the Liverpool end and not the Madrid end at the final whistle.

Why people were kept in the stadium by the police even after the final whistle if they were supposedly 70% with fake tickets.

Where all the fake tickets are now if there's tens of thousands of them.

Why police refused to protect supporters around the stadium from assaults and robberies on the way back to the metro.

Why there was no clear signage or direction given before or after the game.

Why there was no planning for a scenario where locals would try to get in for free, as in why was anyone allowed to get to the turnstiles without a ticket - if they weren't going to check tickets at the perimeter then what was the point in kettling fans and going through a single file pinch point?

Why the fanzone entry had a pinch point - should have seen it in hindsight that if they pinched entry with police vans to the fanzone creating a crush near the front of a 'queue' that took up to an hour to get through that they could do the same at the stadium - very dangerous

Who was in the fanzone if 30,000-40,000 Liverpool fans were at the stadium with no tickets or fake tickets in addition to the 20,000 with genuine tickets from the club and the 10,000+ with neutral tickets from UEFA

Why was teargas deployed at the fanzone after the final whistle instead of announcements asking to leave

Why was Jurgen Klopp wrong to say fans should come to the City if they were planning a massive fanzone to show the game live

Just look at the French league over the last couple of seasons the heavy handedness of the French police towards fans and the use of tear gas and pepper spray for the slightest of things.

There was an independent journalist based in France on rte radio this morning- he said tear gas has become the default and first response to any public gathering in Paris. Said it happens every weekend at some protest or other.

What ya on about. It was clear as daylight on the TV. No conspiracy like. Just asking question.

Cant give a answer is it? You don't like it that's your problem

Ah well if that is case Jesus was total shambles. I did see youths trying break in and in fairness seen some Liverpool fans fighting them back (100% with them on that **** that crap).

It's sad to see ordinary good fans lose out.

Certainly they did last week and people deserve to know why and that it won't happen again before any more events in Paris. Currently i'de say they are on the soccer blacklist along with Wembley.

The French authorities will be mad to sweep this under the carpet though with the Paris Olympics coming up in a few summers.

This is pretty horrific to watch, and kids getting caught up a crush. Stewards taking tickets out of the hands of fans, but no entry given.

Live Senate hearings here on the Champions League Final

According to official numbers, the exact number of fake tickets intercepted by stewards manning the entrance gates was 2,589.

That figure is almost three times the usual number of forgeries at the Champions League final, but significantly lower than the figure used by Darmanin, who had as of Wednesday not provided details of the source of his estimate.