What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

02-06-2022 2:43pm

Crisis's tend to be capped and pushed into the background rather than fully resolved. The Banking crash brought forward a large number of weaknesses in our economy, and they were mostly ignored, with the banks and businesses moving into debt financing instead of past interests. The same with our HSE problems, we've had serious problems with the service for decades, but the worst problems get capped enough to disappear from the limelight, but continue to be a problem for thousands of Irish people yearly.

As long as the crisis, or problem leaves the media spotlight, it's seen as being resolved. Except, in most cases, the core problems aren't resolved, and the systems changed to prevent future foreseeable issues from arising. Out of sight, out of mind.

It's no different with regards to immigration. We don't have a media or government that focuses it's attention, publicly, on the negatives. There are no associations made between ethnicity, culture, etc in our crime statistics, or welfare stats. Instead, we're encouraged through positive slanted reports or articles to believe that all is well in the world.. Out of sight, out of mind.

02-06-2022 2:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149493#Comment_119149493

We don't have a media or government that focuses it's attention, publicly, on the negatives.

What negatives should they be highlighting that they are not?

Luxembourgo · 02-06-2022 4:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149511#Comment_119149511

It is very rarely mentioned when housing is discussed. Our growing population has positives, but a real negative increased competition for all types of housing.

Bar a few token mentions it's rarely discussed or considered. Exact figure nights be wrong but I think a third of the fingal waiting list for social housing is non Irish born.

02-06-2022 5:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150133#Comment_119150133

The housing issue is not caused by immigration though. Sure there is increased competition, but that would exist regardless. In fact it would likely be worse if you took all the non-nationals out of the construction sector as there would be even less being built, a lot slower and would cost a lot more due to increased competition for labour.

Kaybaykwah · 02-06-2022 5:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119145595#Comment_119145595

Yes it was directed at the poster mohawk, but yourself as well, following your response.

I’m not one to knock your former use of a Mohawk hairstyle, or mohawk’s moniker as cultural misappropriation . If that kind of exoticism shakes your tree,

it may bear the fruit of heterogeneity.

There is hope.

enricoh · 02-06-2022 5:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149064#Comment_119149064

Jesus, if that's the best you can do in a debate it's best stick to Twitter lad!

enricoh · 02-06-2022 6:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150263#Comment_119150263

https://m.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-quinn/huge-scale-of-immigration-is-making-our-housing-crisis-worse-35498057.html

Last year, I decided to ask the Department of Social Protection what percentage of rent supplement was paid out to non-Irish EU nationals, and non-EU nationals.

As at February of last year, the figure was 35pc. This is a remarkable total. Remember, 17pc of the population is "foreign-born", so immigrants are over-represented in the figures by two to one

Wibbs · 02-06-2022 6:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149064#Comment_119149064

So humans of different races are so different we can't share the same space. That's the world some people want to live in.

I hate to break it to you. That is the world we live in and the world humans have lived in going back to the egg. If it weren't we'd have no friction, even conflict between different peoples. The two things that cause conflict can be usefully summed up by resources and difference. It's far less a "race" thing, it's just that obvious things like skin colour and/or external cultural differences band people together among their "own", or against the "other" and make those "not us" stand out more easily. We have the divide up the North of this very nation going back centuries and they're the exact same "race". Struggles between different groups in Africa and Asia, all the same "race". There isn't a part of the world that hasn't or doesn't suffer from this basic trend in human nature.

I honestly don't think there is a solution once it's in play. The only "solution" of sorts is to limit migration before it's in play as it's very much based on numbers. A couple of thousand [insert group here] in a population of a couple of million [insert goup here] is quite doable. Tens, or hundreds of thousands of [insert group here] in a population of a couple of million [insert goup here] is when the trend comes into play. As has been pointed out as some sort of "defence" of this politic we already had internal social frictions among the "natives" and I would agree. Multiculturalism brings in added social frictions and different social frictions and as has the experience of every single nation that tries this political experiement seemingly intractable ones.

It would be a better world if this wasn't the case and I understand the optimistic maybe we can fix this, but I prefer to deal with the realities and the realities are clear and easy to point too and have been many many times in this thread. Set against these realities we have the naive surface stuff of exoticism, and often patronising excoticism and charity.

02-06-2022 6:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150477#Comment_119150477

Ah David Quinn, the head of that bastion of logic, the Iona "Institute" lol

When this is the level of his argument "If the entire population of Cork was to move to Dublin tomorrow it would be absolutely valid to worry about the pressure this would put on housing, schools, hospitals, jobs and so on in Dublin" then I'm not too worried. Its par for the course with his articles. Take an element of truth, and twist it to ridiculous levels to try get some bizarre point across.

He's done it all through his career in relation to womens rights, abortion, divorce, gay marriage etc and lets not forget his climate change denial lol

Luxembourgo · 02-06-2022 6:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150508#Comment_119150508

Yeah let's ignore facts and stats cos we don't like the person reporting them...

enricoh · 02-06-2022 6:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148512#Comment_119148512

The word is well n truly out about paddy the sucker. Sure who needs hotel rooms for tourists when we can just fill them with asylum seekers instead.

Great work minister MC entee with the amnesty for asylum seekers last year, amnesty for those here illegally this year- now when can the family reunifications start?!! Is minister Roderick o gorman still pushing for keys to their own gaffs after 4 months? - or will the IMF be back by that stage?!!

enricoh · 02-06-2022 6:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150508#Comment_119150508

Eh, he asked the dept of social protection what percentage of people getting rent allowance weren't Irish. Unless the dept of social protection are big durty racists and gave him false stats- I guess it's possible!

RYEL · 02-06-2022 6:43pm

So if you didn't believe in multiculturalism the best thing you could do is stay were you are born right. Or if you have moved then the second best thing you could do is go home to your own country. Right?

02-06-2022 7:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150384#Comment_119150384

I'm still clueless to your meaning or the relevance of your post.. except that in included me in a post to Mohawk, by quoting only me, rather than quoting Mohawk.

Just weird.

02-06-2022 7:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150133#Comment_119150133

Don't bother... this thread is full of posters going over the negatives, and a lot of it was covered while DaCor was part of the conversation. He doesn't care, and doesn't try to remember what is said in this thread. I've already covered this multiple times with him, and he dismissed/ignored them each time.

02-06-2022 7:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150479#Comment_119150479

As has been pointed out as some sort of "defence" of this politic we already had internal social frictions among the "natives" and I would agree. Multiculturalism brings in added social frictions and different social frictions and as has the experience of every single nation that tries this political experiement seemingly intractable ones.

Ahh well, just because everyone is part of a modern term for their race, doesn't mean that they themselves see themselves as being similar. China has many ethnic groups all under the phrase Asian or Chinese, but when you dig deeper, even a province like Shaanxi can have dozens of cultural groups each distinctly different from each other. I think a good example is the number of accents you can find in somewhere like London, because accents often (not always) form from exclusive groups interacting within themselves, and retaining a particular sense of identity when they interact with others.

I do think that one of the major ways in which multiculturalism can operate effectively with minimal friction is that there remains a strong focus on the host/native culture. Singapore is a particularly good example of this, because there is some intermixing/introduction of foreign culture from their extensive non-native population, but there's a serious resistance to the belief that these foreign cultures should gain anything beyond that... and TBH I'd consider Singapore as being one of the most multicultural places on Earth. Sure, it has problems, inequalities, etc, but that's going to happen in any human system. All systems break down over time, and favouritism/bias forms towards particular groups, which is the case, pretty much everywhere.

Still.. I don't think modern artificially encouraged multiculturalism has worked, even slightly. They've allowed their own biases to be introduced where the differences between groups are encouraged and reinforced, rather than encouraging that people are thought as people. It's like they want people to see tribalism everywhere.. which seem utterly retarded to me.

02-06-2022 10:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150527#Comment_119150527

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150563#Comment_119150563

As I said, he'll take an element of truth and use that to build a fallacy. He's literally made a career out of it.

If you wish to use another source to discuss something, but using Quinn as a source is akin to using the Daily Mail as source material for anything.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150699#Comment_119150699

Most of which I picked apart, the rest are down to individual poster prejudices and irrational fears, neither of which are grounded in logic or reason so little reason to engage on those points

Kaybaykwah · 03-06-2022 3:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150691#Comment_119150691

You find everything weird, I guess you had a period in your life when the mohawk hairstyle had that exotic lure that Wibbs is obsessing about, too.

Weirdness and exoticism are the key words between you two. Keep on dismissing human diversity as a positive and then keep on denying you do so. Keep on pretending you are wordly, and hammering the same rusty nail for a thousand posts. Boring.

03-06-2022 5:40am

Place is full, 10,000 on housing waiting lists, explain the unexplainable please and tell us how Ireland is not overcapacity without huge nation building infrastructure projects. Projects that should occur in advance of such population growth.

We are leaving the next generation the legacy of a sharp shift downwards in quality of life. All in the name of diversity which is a cynical cover for business interests.

Gullible fools have fallen for this like turkeys voting for Christmas.

RYEL · 03-06-2022 7:23am

All those with hatred for other races have in this thread is cliche after cliche.

Turkeys vote for Christmas etc. What the fairy lights does that even mean.

Don't worry they don't know either.

You have the want away travellers who don't want foreigners in their country but when they travel they are the right sort of mix of multiculturalism. What a load of nonsense. Most likely English teachers fooling themselves into thinking they are special.

Imagine teaching English to people in foreign countries but being annoyed that people come to yours such hypocrisy.

We have the im alright Jack immigrants who want to pull the ladder up after they have climbed up.

We have the Conspiracy types who think multicultural politic. What the fairy lights is that, is it some secret conspiracy club that is inviting people to ireland or something rather than just humans moving themselves to seek a better life.

There was me thinking Ireland was a free democratic country with free and fair elections. But no its ruled by a single party called multicultural politic not elected by the people of Ireland.

Absolute waffle

Many of these posters are old men with no children and no real concern for the future and how their hatred will affect young lives. No too consumed with their nonsense belief that white is right or some such crap.

Ask them what their solution is and they go quiet.

What are the positives of Irish society that we must protect it at all costs from normal natural change?

Name one positive that is unique or special of Irish society?

The_Kew_Tour · 03-06-2022 8:29am

To the pro open border people?

What do you do yourself to help it and do for these people?

RYEL · 03-06-2022 9:14am

The only open borders ireland has is with the UK and the EU.

Do you have a problem with the CTA or with EU membership Kew?

Ireland is hugely pro eu and excuse me for being ignorant if I am wrong but I have never heard a clamour for ditching the CTA with the UK.

TomTomTim · 03-06-2022 9:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152088#Comment_119152088

Many of these posters are old men with no children and no real concern for the future and how their hatred will affect young lives. No too consumed with their nonsense belief that white is right or some such crap.

Your obsession with "old men" is honestly bizarre. And when it comes to concern for the future, that's a cheeky one, seeing as it's poster like yourself that keep advocating for policies that are dragging us into the sewers when it comes to quality of life, and what's ahead for the Irish people. I can think of very few things that are being pushed by the Irish state at the minute that will actually make our future better.

There's also been solutions given for years and years on these threads and on any threads concerning bad state policies. In most cases, simply not implementing stupid, unworkable policies and enforcing laws that are already on our books, would mitigate most growing problems.

You don't care about any of that though, because you seem to be just mindlessness throwing back talking points, with no care for the fact that people like yourself are the ones who are full of hot air when it comes to fixing problems, which can be seen anytime DaCor is asked how we could fix things.

RYEL · 03-06-2022 9:33am

Waffle waffle waffle. Well done Tom.

We have actual posters saying black people are inherently violent etc but yeah let's not address actual racism.

Anyway as usual not even an attempt to answer my questions.

The silence in reply to my questions says more than enough though.

I mean you actually insulted me straight out a few days ago and your posts were removed but yeah old men is such a slur. Lol.

Ps. old men, old men, old men.

Pussyhands · 03-06-2022 9:40am

Not a good look for multiculturism in 2022.

4 found guilty of gang rape
One on a gay murdering spree
Woman out for jog randomly murdered

Miadhc · 03-06-2022 9:50am

>Prior convictions included attempted murder in Romania, aggravated theft, criminal damage, violent behaviour in a Garda station and a number of road traffic offences.

That Gypsy cusine though...

https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/man-sentenced-to-life-for-murder-of-homeless-man-found-beaten-in-dublin-park-after-casino-win-41703553.html

Miadhc · 03-06-2022 9:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152457#Comment_119152457

It will be revealed soon enough the details of the murder of the young woman in Offaly.

The_Kew_Tour · 03-06-2022 10:01am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152363#Comment_119152363

I never mentioned the EU or CTA. You seem to have a habit of going of on a rant and not being able to answer the simple questions that was asked.(if you think that way)

RYEL · 03-06-2022 10:02am

Big bang o projection from your posts Tom.

More personal insults thrown.

Maybe have a look at yourself before throwing out the armchair psychology advice based on my 70 odd posts there Tom. LOL

RYEL · 03-06-2022 10:04am

Hey Kew

What are the positives of Irish society that we must protect it at all costs from normal natural change?

Name one positive that is unique or special of Irish society?

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