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Depp/Heard Trial Verdict

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No, not just daughters, but daughters can have an especially difficult time.

    In a very brief nutshell narcissistic mothers tend to see their daughters as a reflection of themselves, or a threat and someone to compete with. But its true, nobody has an easy time growing up with a narcissistic parent.

    There are some very good books on the subject of narcissistic mothers and daughters in particular. In many cases, the only way to deal with the relationship in adulthood is to completely cut off all contact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,493 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Everyone keeps saying that they are both awful… what makes JD so awful ???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Ardent


    Some sensitive folks didn't like the dark humour JD used in private messages to Paul Bettany.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Because he looks unkempt and takes drugs I guess. That’s enough for most people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Well I guess at least the male narcissists get a bit of a break because everyone focussed on the evil ladies now.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There is no question that Depp was heavily abusing drugs and alcohol and anyone whose lived with that will tell you it is hell.

    But he never tried to deny that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,493 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I don’t being a drinker or drug taker makes you an awful person. A huge chunk of the Irish population are functional alcoholics.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It may not make you an "awful" person, but it is awful to live with.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    @[Deleted User] I am sure you are right, but at the end of the day it’s everyone’s own fault if they end up staying in the relationship.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Whilst Depp's incredible team focussed on the facts that matter in the case, Amber Heard's legal team were captivated by muffins.

    It sounds ridiculous, but this is the kind of raw material that Heard's legal team were handed. It's embarrassing that lawyers paid so much can perform so badly.




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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    True but she knew what she was getting herself into... It wasn't the case that Depp suddenly started living like this after they hooked up. Depps behaviour with the drugs/drink/etc was hardly any kind of secret. But then, considering the alcohol/wine bill and references of drugs in the trial, Heard was more than capable of putting away a lot of drink and mixing drugs.

    Although, I know people (couples) who are functional alcoholics, do use drugs regularly, and they have very happy/successful long-term relationships. Different people respond to drugs in different ways.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well, thats a discussion for another day. When you're a celebrity and have the resources, leaving a bad situation is easier.

    When you're not and you haven't the resources, or somewhere to go, it's a lot more complicated.

    I think we can agree that the former applied in the Depp/Heard case.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There are many manipulative women out there who'll flaunt their looks and throw their hair over their shoulder if it means marrying a man of great wealth.

    In my personal opinion, Amber Heard is among their number.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭dbas


    This video was shared earlier in the thread but I'm not sure it got any traction. From a woman I don't know called Jeanine Pirro. By all accounts she seems used to being controversial but my god she has hit the nail on the head with her comments yesterday

    https://youtu.be/QdklNb2Qewo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Keep drinking the cool aid man.

    Depp did plenty wrong in the relationship but the fact is that most people, including the jury, don't believe a word out of Heard's mouth. I'm not basing that on anything I read on social media, I'm basing that on how I watched Heard's credibility being ripped to shreds on the stand.

    And the media aren't acting in unison on this. There isn't a crusage against Heard. Even after the verdict you have many media outlets selling it as a terrible day for women and victims of domestic abuse.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I approached the trial as a neutral spectator.

    I had never heard of Amber Heard, and I've never watched a Johnny Depp movie. Nor did I bother to learn about their past. In fact, I consciously ignored the story in the media for the first 5-weeks.

    But then I watched one clip, then a second. I simply watched how both Heard and Depp, and then their experts performed under oath. And it's abundantly clear, almost within seconds, that Amber Heard is a manipulative, exploitative, abusive liar.

    It's not even a debate. She's guilty AF; not the language that the jury used, but it may as well have been.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Yep, can't argue with anything there.

    Unusual that you've never seen a Johnny Depp movie or heard of Amber Heard before. You mustn't be a fan of the movies.

    The Ninth Gate is a good movie with Johnny Depp in it. It's starting to date now though as it was made in 1999.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Starting to get into the movies only now, bizarrely. I'll have to put that one on my waiting list.

    I'm also in the unfortunate position of having never heard of Amber Heard a week ago, to now wishing that I've never heard of Heard to begin with. But I'm sure many people have heard the same thing by now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,493 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69



    All drinkers being awful to live with is a massive generalisation. Some people can handle there drink and the some people can’t, from Ambers extensive documentation JD’s seemed to fall a asleep a bit. Understandable for someone in their late 50s. Also Amber is a heavy drinker and drug taker so it’s not the case of one person drinking and one not.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I never said it was a case of one person drinking and one not.

    I don't get why you're now trying to have a go at me, unless this strikes some kind of personal nerve for you. Anyway, not interested in going down that rabbit hole.

    I'm sorry I bothered engaging by giving you a response to your question.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,409 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    The BBC were confused earlier as to why everyone was hailing it as a victory for Depp when it was clearly a draw as AH won her defamation action. I don't believe it was a great victory for any particular section of society despite various sides spinning it that way. Two rich dysfunctionals (one no longer rich) had their day in court and millions were entertained, that's about it, imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,493 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I did not mean to have a go at you, my apologies



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This is just stupid.

    Amber Heard has a couple of million (it seems and, according to her lawyer today [the dreadful lawyer who in the heart of the lawsuit focussed on who bought muffins], cannot pay the judgment fee of $8 million; whereas Johnny Depp is estimated to be worth $150 million. This is the same Amber Heard who promised to pay $7 million to two charities after her divorce from Depp several years ago. But she consciously chose not to donate to those two charities because she clearly wanted to continue her exorbitant lifestyle.

    Second, this wasn't an equivocation of results of the jury between both sides. Depp won his case (the reason the case was held to begin with), whereas Heard won a fraction of her case (a countersue; and only a fraction of that countersue). In legal speak and in real-world speak, Depp won; he WON; you know - the reason for the lawsuit taking place in the first instance? Or were you unaware of that?

    Third, maybe Depp is dysfunctional. Yes, perhaps you're right there. And...?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,933 ✭✭✭Tippex


    It certainly didn't help when the evidence was absolute trash that she used (way too much to go through).

    But an example would be the wine stain on the floor image that the same image was submitted as evidence of violence once in December 2015 (I think) and once the following May (six months apart) it was the exact same image. There was so much of this on her side it was loony town on the lack of evidence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭therapist3


    How in the name of god can you draw that conclusion, actually scratch that it is clearly obvious your are painfully sexist and an apologist and victim blamer when God forbid a woman has been shown to be deranged and abusive



  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭therapist3


    So it's all the jury's fault now

    Not her article

    Not her behaviour

    Not her free speech

    Not her actions

    Ah shure why don't you just go the whole way and blame him for being hit by her


    What an unbelievable deluded, sexist, victim blaming viewpoint



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    Same here, I ignored the whole case completely until today, then took a look and wow! She is a manipulative liar hanging onto the coat tails of the me too movement.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ahh now... when there's a situation between a man and a woman, the woman is always the victim. That's been the accepted story for the last 30 years. Reasons, circumstances, etc don't matter. Even if she was abusive, it was his fault for making her behave that way.

    From what I've seen online over the last decade, victim blaming only comes into effect if the victim is female, and the victim will always be made to be female. TBH I doubt that's going to change any time soon.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    The most chilling thing is that this completely just verdict has now triggered some kind of mass psychosis on social media. People are self-harming for Amber Heard and posting pictures of it online, she is encouraging it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well, we do need less people in the world (environmental considerations)... I suspect these are personalities the world would be better off not having around.

    Emotional outbursts and tantrums. They didn't get their way.. so they'll make themselves victims through their own self-harm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,409 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    I wasn't suggesting it was a draw simply giving my take on the BBC's reporting of it. Depp clearly won, the money is irrelevant he doesn't need it and she doesn't have it but it's actually immaterial to the result. I can't really follow your train of thought here other than you seem upset about something.

    Finally I see people posting things like AH has destroyed the me2 movement or that the result helps men or hurts women. I don't believe this is the case, Certainly some people who would have come forward may not and it may benefit a small number of people but this is a pretty unique case between two relatively wealthy and certainly dysfunctional individuals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,785 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    You have repeated the same nonsense in the other thread and called the jury hillbillies. You again ignore the very direct connection the UK judge has to the owner of the SUN newspaper and brush under the carpet the fact that the UK and US trials were completely different. Most of the evidence Depps legal team wanted to admit was refused entry in the UK trial with no explanation. The judge had his mind made up for him long before the trial started.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭neirbloom


    Media outlets seem absolutely terrified to mention the fact she lied on numerous occasions and that might be one of the reasons she lost this deformation case but gladly announce Johnny Depp as a wife beater at any opportunity. This Morning for example only chose to cover this story twice since the trial, yesterday after the verdict and back when Amber heard testified.





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  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭neirbloom


    Strangely the only news Corp I have agreed with has been the young turks for the fact that Ana hasn't seemed to have gotten most of her information from either twitter or God forbid reddit and actually watched the trial and gone through evidence. There was also testimony from a staff worker at the airport where the domestic between Amber heard and her ex was far more violent than Heard was trying to make out.




  • Registered Users Posts: 40 Iker


    Johnny Depp certainly has a long running problem with drugs and alcohol, which he openly acknowledges. Given how the evidence showed Amber handling herself in their relationship, her personality, the fact that she also consumes drugs and alcohol and evidence of her verbal and physical abuse of Mr. Depp, it is impossible to say beyond reasonable doubt whether Mr. Depp did or not lose it and hit her or abused her as well. What is clear is that no sufficiently convincing evidence was shown at the trial of the alleged abuse by Mr. Depp.

    The alleged abuse of Ms. Heard may have happened in some measure, but she and her team did not produce sufficiently convincing evidence that such abuse happened. On top of that lack of convincing evidence, then there's the outright lies and inconsistencies in Ms. Heard's testimony. The lack of witnesses on her part and the abundance of testimony and witnesses to the contrary. Also, there was straightforward evidence presented of (now ruled as malicious) intent to discredit Mr. Depp and use that as a springboard for her rise with the me-too movement and the ACLU. This last part puzzled many people. The militantism, vindictiveness and almost "revenge-porness" on the part of Ms. Heard. It just doesn't compare well with the behaviour of other, real, proven, victims of abuse.

    The jury was left with a very simple choice, to find in favour of Mr. Depp. I believe that the verdict of the jury was correct in this case because, should they have found in favour of Ms. Heard, then that would set a precedent in law that could mean any woman could accuse any man without sufficiently convincing evidence, on her say-so and how-I-say-so, inflate, overstate, fabricate so-called evidence or otherwise distort allegations, etc... with the result of having him charged with some of the most heinous accusations and ruin his life. Sorry for real victims of abuse, but that cannot ever be allowed to happen. This was a civil trial, i.e. basically, for money and reputation. But a precedent like that could easily be used at a criminal trial in future.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I would counter that it is very important in showing that men can and are abused by partners



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,617 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Can't we use Irish stories to show this?

    Depp and Heard are fabulously wealthy people with no relation to ordinary people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,186 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,186 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That was horrendous and you could feel Cooper's unease at the direction of the interview. Seemed afraid to challenge it though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    listening to Newstalk while driving for a few hours yesterday and on " The Hard Shoulder " , they had a member of the NWC on , warning of how this result might deter women who are victims of abuse from coming forward .

    the implication being of course that finding a man innocent and thus overturning accusations of abuse is a bad thing essentially

    outrageous



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,151 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    All those NGO's that suckle on the government tit never seem to be held accountable for anything they say. She clearly just caught some clips and soundbites from the trial and went into full judgemental mode. It would have been too much to expect a group that seemingly cares about domestic abuse to comment on the fact that Depp was clearly abused in the relationship and that ANY victim should feel comfortable coming forward regardless of gender. I mean, the woman admitted to hitting him on several occasions, amazingly each one was the first time (not like a typical absurer at all, no siree), and she chopped his bloody finger of with a vodka bottle.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    From RTÉ...

    Jesus Christ

    https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2022/0601/1302493-who-really-wins-in-celebrity-legal-trials/

    Depp and Heard also presented vastly different faces to both the jury in Virginia and the viewing public at home.

    She could often be seen sobbing as she gave her testimony, while Depp was seen variously sucking on sweets, smirking and refusing to look as his ex-wife poured her heart out mere feet away.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,151 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Does sobbing not indicate at least a single tear was shed?

    I mean, even her acting coach said she struggled with crying and that was very clear during her testimony, especially when her dog stepped on a bee.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭dbas


    Or he didn't watch her while she repeatedly lied on the stand about him.

    Thankfully the jury watched the trial and analysed the evidence unlike the author



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Anyone who latches onto behavioral stuff like that in court course, especially those who give it more credence than actual evidence, are either dense or desperate. I've seen it many times in true crime cases, where idiots thought that someone was guilty purely due to how they behaved in court.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Must only have looked at the edited photos.

    But seriously, why is it so hard to believe that a woman can abuse a man?

    I'm 6'1" and, when I was 21, I had a GF abuse me (shortly as I cut all ties once I realised what was really happening). At the time I was 83KG benching 130KG squatting over 200KG, far far stronger than I am now, but realised there was nothing I could do to defend myself.

    In a bar one night she gripped my face and dug her nails into my cheeks. She actually gloated that she could hurt me at any moment and no one would believe me if she said that she was just defending herself.

    Actually gave me a little shudder hearing Heard saying almost the exact same thing, in the recording



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