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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    No just because things are the where they are does not mean that things shouldn't change. We can put an embargo on Russian goods, we can do the same for Chinese goods especially where those goods are directly linked to slave labour and one of the single largest users of coal. Give them a financial reason to change. Divert manufacturing where it can be overseen and subject to strict manufacturing regulation.

    The journal? Maybe but I don't tend to read the comments of the journal- there's really not much there you could take seriously imho.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    There's those turf sniffers again that seem to wind you up something awful lol.

    Does the UK generate electricity from peat / do people in rural/ disadvantaged areas there depend on it for home heating? I thought that was more an Irish thing no?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why EV's won't fix pollution in our cities and in some instances, will increase it. Obvious solution would be to keep as many cars out of cities as possible




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    That’s been known for some time. All though one must remember the situation with tyres, brake dust etc is not an electric car problem but a vehicle problem.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I don't know why people blame China for anything really as they're the factory for rich countries like Ireland, we are the ones fueling it all. I don't see any politicians asking to stop doing business with them however as this would mean our way of life might be changed drastically without constant access to cheap consumables. Even you turf sniffers must realise this.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    That would be "an attack on rural Ireland". This was an argument I heard some eejit on the radio saying when they were talking about pedestrianising streets in Dublin, as they'd have nowhere to park should they decide to come to our fair city lol.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    More changes on the way after agreement is reached amongst EU transport ministers.

    EU Transport Ministers today agreed on a range of legally binding measures to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in the transport sector in the coming decade. The new measures, which are to apply to all Member States, have been negotiated over the last 12 months. With this agreement, the stage is set for negotiations with the European Parliament on the final text of these important pieces of legislation.

    It includes the roll out of an extensive network of publicly available electric vehicle (EV) charging facilities, to ensure that EV drivers no longer need to be concerned about range or access to charging points. The Irish Government has already committed €100 million to develop a nationwide network of charging points in rural and urban areas by 2025. Also agreed are new technical standards and mandatory targets for EU airlines’ use of sustainable aviation fuels, and new binding targets for GHG reductions in shipping. These measures have been agreed under the EU’s “Fit for 55” package – the flagship suite of legislation announced last July to ensure the bloc meets its 2030 climate targets. The Union is aiming for a minimum 55% reduction in GHG emissions, compared to 1990 levels.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Why blame them for anything? Its fcuking slave labour ffs. That and their use of coal is off the scale.

    Plus your counter argument doesn't make any sense

    There's already people pointing at imports from Colombia about slave labour and applying blame there.

    We also need to stop Chinese imports based on Coal power electricity and or slave labour. If we can stop stuff coming from Russia for humanitarian reasons, we can stop stuff from China and elsewhere. Economic sanctions will give China a good reason to clean up their shop.

    Our way of life is already on course to be drastically changed with a dearth of fossil fuels and increased taxation on same. Calling people who oppose importing **** from China etc 'turf sniffers" a la previous poster is a fairly childish argument all the same.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    My point is we are equally to blame as we buy their products and therefore emissions are produced. No one seems to gaf as long as they can get cheap furniture etc. We are in agreement so, importing millions of containers from China to fill our stores full of rubbish needs to stop. It would probably mean far less choice for consumers and some goods to cost ten times as much, but this era of hyper consumerism and throwaway products really needs to end.

    It just annoys me with all the finger pointing at China as they are it is us who are outsourcing our emissions to there.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,305 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    we certainly do outsource most of our carbon emissions to countries such as china, but winding down our global supply chains, i.e. reducing consumption, wont be easy, without causing serious economic collapses, including in countries such as ireland, as a large proportion of our economy is completely dependent on this consumption. we would probably also need to enact radical polices such as ubi, and/or to make sure all of our most critical sectors, such as our property markets, health care systems etc etc, are actually functioning, to make sure this doesnt happen, which could cause wide scale poverty if it did. this would be no easy task.......



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    agreed but if we don't stop the current consumption model we are doomed anyway, so something's gotta give



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users Posts: 29,305 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yup, something has to give, as the planet has had enough of us, and our ways!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Yeah I realise we can apply blame to everyone. That's a given, though that's no reason why that the current situation should remain as it is because of those perceptions of "blame" or that there should be no criticism or solution to those problems

    The situation with regard to China producing and other countries importing cheap Chinese goods manufactured using slave labour and with massively polluting energy sources can certainly change as. Such goods should be embargoed / stopped. That gives both China (and other countries) a real impetus to transition away from these methods of production and the pollution and other harm caused.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,305 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...so you want to potentially create widescale economic damage, maybe collapses! think you d fit right in with central banks!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Not sure what "fit right in with central banks" has got to do with slave labour and global levels of pollution etc.

    But yeah you could claim that removing all fossil fuels from the global economy in the short term will cause "widescale economic damage"

    But the objective should be to target all those goods made using slave labour and all large-scale industrial processes using coal fired energy generation.

    It would provide an impetus to transition away from those methods of production responsible for ghg emissions, pollution and other harm caused.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,305 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    we must be extremely careful with implementing radial changes, our global economy is highly fragile and highly sensitive to such changes, yes we clearly need to get off fossil fuels asap, but implementing radical polices such as introducing embargos could very well tip the whole thing, and before we know it, we re all experiencing significant economic hardship/recessions etc etc. in order to enact such polices, we would first have to make sure all citizens are capable of being able to achieve their most critical of needs, property, health care, food, etc etc etc, but we currently are unable to do this, and by the looks of it, this requirement is actually rapidly deteriorating for many.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    implementing radical polices

    We're implementing radical changes already. Many which have already had significant impacts in the areas you've outlined.

    Targeting all those goods made using slave labour and all large-scale industrial processes using coal fired energy generation means there's a real impetus to switch away from those unsustainable practices to ones which are sustainable for everyone.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,305 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...again, yes, we need to continuously work on these issues, but again, we must also make sure critical social protections are in place for all citizens, before truly implementing these actions, or we increase the likelihood of ultimate failure, we re effectively going in the wrong direction regarding citizens most critical of needs, this is already evident in countries such as Ireland



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Its certainly a case of the ending the use of slave labour . Imho that cannot be argued against regardless. Ditto those industrial processes responsible for the worst of global ghgs emissions. Btw that doesn't mean stopping production rather providing a very real impetus to move to alternative means of production which already exist.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,305 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    you could argue a lot of labour is slaved labour, but that would be more philosophical than real, in the case you re expressing, but theres still no easy solutions to these serious problems, our global supply chains are truly highly complex, to the point we dont truly understand them



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    No actual slave labour as here. There's lots of stuff we don't really fully understand tbh. But that's not one of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Is nuclear power not used all over the world? Who says it's evil? If you mean why don't Ireland use it, well we can't even build a bike lane in this country without the place going into meltdown, so that's never going to happen.

    China is the largest emitter because countries like Ireland want to buy their cheap stuff! We are the problem as much as China but you turf sniffers can't seem to understand this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭donaghs


    China isn't the biggest emitter, only because other countries want to buy their stuff. It's also because of deliberate policies which have always treated the environment only as a resource to be used up to feed industrial growth. These go back to Maoist times, pre-opening up to the world economy.

    People in a liberal democracy wouldn't accept more economic growth if it meant the air we breath in cities was killing us. and so on.

    There are some signs that this attitude in China is slowly changing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    The biggest fear the communist party has is civil unrest that’s why they clamp down on it so hard but they also want to avoid it so that why there clearing up the environment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 lubya


    Just a word on this country planning strategy and planning law. Personally I was shocked to hear that you are NOT allowed by law to buy a land in countryside and build your own house. Rather you are FORCED yo live in housing estate on house build by some large scale developers with 5x5 garden. They have special name for this type of living conditions in Hong Kong (coffin homes). I call them 'cages'.

    Forcing citizens to build in 'cluster' areas, with no permissions allowed to build dwelling on own land when its classified as 'rural' (essentially everything above 10 from larger cities) forces citizens to live in air and noise polluted environment dependant on mains water supply. Also planning law permit to build further away from the road eg mors then 10m, again contributing negatively to overall well being. It is basic human right to have clean air to breathe as well have own clean water supply, without noise pollution associated with 'cluster' living. Not only that but forced cluster living promotes anti social behavior, extinction of any biodiversity and wildlive or natural resources such as forests which has been proven to benefit overall health of people as well as sustainability of wildlife/biodiversity vs human density. Addin also argument of pro-pandemic characteristics of cluster living its essentially death thread to any society historically. Babylon alike barbaric totalitaryzm.


    https://theconversation.com/how-tiny-living-spaces-affect-our-wellbeing-individually-and-societally-172182



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah sorry, one-off housing/ribbon development is literally the stupidest way to build by virtually any measurement. Good to see it getting more and more difficult to do it. Hopefully it's eventually banned outright and only building in villages, towns and cities permitted.



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