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Has there been a load of people quitting in your workplace recently? Seems to be a mass exodus.

  • 03-06-2022 9:06pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭JackieChang


    I'm not in the retail or hospitality sector. It's actually a pretty comfy office based job with OK perks and pay.

    But jesus H christ, it seems like I'm getting a good bye email every week or I'm at a leaving session every week in a pub.

    Is it just me or is this happening a lot across the board?

    I'm seeing people quitting who are part of the furniture so I'm getting a bit worried.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,664 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Why? UNless your company has no plans to replace them!!

    Now if people were being laid off, THEN I;d worry!

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Yeah, same. I think Covid made a lot of people have a rethink/re-evaluation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,592 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Yes, and I've joined them. Two more days left in the current place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,680 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I have noticed this too, I think people have become less afraid to quit a job on a whim.

    I know some who will definitely regret it in the long run, having quit to follow their dreams in highly competitive low pay careers.

    There is a lot of far away hills are greener syndrome going around, decent jobs with decent pay and conditions are not valued like they used to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i think its more that in alot of situations the pay and conditions arent decent though



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,991 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Maybe a case of 2 years of on/off lockdowns, WFH etc gave people a lot of time to think and re evaluate their work situation as opposed to pre Covid where a lot of people were rushing around non stop with no time to think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,048 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Well they do say its an employee's market at present, don't they?

    Meant to be a skills shortage and lot of employers looking for staff, so many folk are probably leaving jobs for better money and conditions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭The Mighty Quinn


    Currently negotiating on a salary at a new place for 28% more than my existing employer.

    The rising cost of living is a large factor in my decision, my current place isn't bad to be fair. Just can't compete financially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    This is it. It's framed in terms of resignations but presumably all those people are getting new jobs elsewhere.

    Plenty of people leaving my work. But there are plenty of new starters too.

    I suppose there's a big song and dance when an old employee leaves, but there's not the same fanfare when a new employee starts. But I presume they're both happening at the same rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,653 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    Some of the larger construction companies are ridiculous the last 6 months.


    There's one I deal with and every single engineer/foreman has left since Christmas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,090 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Nope.

    Only 1 has left since Christmas.

    IMHO now is a seriously dumb time to change jobs, if you have more than 2 years service. There is a big recession ahead, those still on probation will be first to lose jobs once it hits.

    Post edited by Mrs OBumble on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,680 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I see people moving on to places with higher pay but much worse conditions (expected to work extra hours every day with no pay). People are not doing their research on companies, just reading the advertised benefits. Beware of companies who go on about winning awards for being ‘best place to work’ and other such nonsense, if it was true it would not have to be advertised.



  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭Horn_of_Africa


    It completely depends the on role and circumstances. For some it's a great time to move jobs, as I did last month for an increase of 24k in salary.

    Post edited by Horn_of_Africa on


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    theyre walking out the door in my govt dept, and we are struggling to even fill roles with contracts the past six months



  • Posts: 7,792 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Could be they're seeing what's coming down the line,,, probably a recession; as well as that they're seeing a vast influx of foreigners coming in,, not too many houses,, get on that housing list toute suite lest they be homeless - unless all in the OP workplace have a mortgage/own their own house outright,,

    a leftfield opinion perhaps, but with scant info to go on, it's worth 4 cents..

    PS fk work !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,472 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    I'd be running in the door of any government department given the opportunity.

    As a self employed construction professional, I don't see good times ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Is that speaking as someone working in the public sector as opposed to the private sector?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Back in the olden days, when employers had a labour shortage, they sweetened the deal by paying their employees more. How had that part of the social contract gone out the window?

    A lot of this comes back to the same as a lot of social problems like housing. Old people as a group, are living longer, living sicker and needing more care, taking more senior positions in work for longer, living in their houses for longer, being paid pensions for longer. And then we sit back and wonder why taxes are so high instead of acknowledge that they pay for old people's benefits and health care. Wealthy old people who have been at the top for 20 years cant find any money innthe budget for staff, and slag off young people can't get well paid jobs so they can and buy a house and start a family.

    Those old people would be furious if they have to sell some of their assets to pay for their health care later in life. It's young people's job to rent a house from an old person and then pay tax to keep that old person in a good pension and with decent health care.

    I don't resent paying for old people, but I do resent being called a gobshyte for not having a house by the same people who expect me to pay to keep them in the lifestyle to shich they have become accustomed, but my generation has no realistic chance of having.

    If we're going to pay for old peope, and bare the consequences, fine. But let's be honest about it. A bit of gratitude from old people would go a long way too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭Shank Williams


    People read some story in their weekend supplement about some KPMG lad quitting his job to follow his dream- never anything in the article about the inheritance or wedge he got off the old folks- all not as it seems



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,953 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Have to agree. Was talking to someone recently whose son is public sector and thinking of leaving for the private sector. I advised her to tell him not to leave. Recession ahead.

    I'm public sector and have just moved to a department closer to home.

    I didn't even say goodbye.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    happy days, people have had enough of bullsh1t jobs, and are moving onto better things, best of luck to them!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,171 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    +1. Of the retirees I know and have known I'd say a large proportion have the attitude of "well I did it/times were just as hard then/so why can't you/workshy kids" stuff. The usual nonsense of how their generation was better and are blind to the fact the generations before them said the exact same thing. Even when it's pointed out to them it won't fit in the atrophied brain hole. Hell, I've heard this kinda guff from people in their 50's.

    Speaking with old relatives of mine, even though they see some of their own kids suffering and now their grandkids there's a near 50/50 divide. Funny enough it's the ones in their nineties who do see it and have said they'd hate to be "starting out in life" today. Maybe because the 90+ year olds had a harder slog when they were starting out compared to the 60+ year olds?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...so if people are completely miserable in their current situation or they simply cant afford to stay, they should stay, no matter what!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,632 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I think Covid also exposed how well individual companies and managers treated their employees. The poor employers are losing a lot of people. Have a look at Herzbergs 2 factor motivation theory for all the reasons that people leave jobs.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,653 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    Agreed

    My boss showed himself to be a complete gent. Great communication, incredibly accomodating and involved us all in the decisions around covid.


    Some of my contemporaries did not get the same treatment. Poorly communicated 3 day weeks, lack of work from home equipment, rushed/pushed back to office, no understanding of those without childcare....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...or simply didnt give a fcuk about those with kids!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭Tork


    I haven't noticed any increase in people quitting where I work. But I'm told that remote working is a high priority for a lot of new job applicants.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes lots moving in my place also. Anyone I've spoken to have blamed the poor working conditions and the lack of flexibility shown for people with children now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    True point about the very old people having more empathy for the young. Burning also think nobody is asking the very old to do anything to help the young. Where peoppe in their 50s 60s and even 70s are being asked (probably feel a moral obligation) to support building houses. Better pay for young people etc. Peoppe in those age groups are the ones who are on the better wages and living longer as a group. In previous generations, far more people dropped dead during those decades of, what are now considered, preventable diseases.

    Those people live longer and work longer and occupy higher paid jobs for longer. It's grisley, and that's probably why we don't talk about. But we should talk about it even though it's unpleasant. I'm not advocating for old people dieing sooner. But we should discuss the impact of peoppe living longer and understand the consequences.

    Two consequences are very clear. One is the lack of available housing because older people are living longer and occupying more houses for longer. The second is that there is far less pay progression and career progression because older peopep are occupying the top jobs with the best pay for far longer.

    So the young people are waiting their turn, paying rent to older people so they can have multiple houses, working for older people on poor wages with little pay growth, paying health care and pensions for older people, and being called a gobshyte for not having a better paying job, house and a family already.

    And if they move job to get better pay, they have no loyalty or work ethic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,458 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    People in our company are getting Dublin wages but WFH in Donegal. our American owners can't understand this. UK offices the same, america is even worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭bb12


    load of utter tosh and complete ageist post. the retirement age has been set at 65 for a very long time so nothing has changed there. you're just looking for excuses and a reason to blame someone else.

    all these older people are the ones who paid their taxes to enable the younger crowd go to free university, free healthcare, childrens benefit etc. and because they're on higher salaries, they're also paying a hell of lot more tax than the younger workers. they build the foundation of what comes next, just like you're going to be building the foundations for those that come after you

    your post has the tone of send the old folks off to the choppng block when they're considered of no use anymore.

    do people forget they're also going to get old? and it comes a hell of a lot sooner than you think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭dublin49


    Well off old people not paying for health care ? where? anyone with assets in Nursing homes are either paying 70/80K per annum from their resources or are paying 30k+ on the fair deal scheme if they have pensions and savings



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭put_the_kettle_on


    It's taken a while to come to fruition but when the first lockdown occurred here in the UK my husband realised that he'd had enough of work. He's pushing 60 and has had a lifetime of 70 and 80+ hour weeks in a job that's hard physical graft.

    I never thought I'd see the day my workaholic, dyed in the wool company man would voluntarily retire but here it is. Imminent.

    I know everyone's circumstances are different but I do think that lockdown made a lot of people alter their priorities.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Yes - two this week alone. Management's response is to express puzzlement as to why given according to them "money should not be the only thing that motivates people" (futher context is the long hours and w/e work expected from the workers).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    Its not your employers problem to care about your childcare situation. Thats your own family, sort it out yourself, you are not entitled to anything from your employers regarding childcare. I hear so many women in my job giving out about returning to work and how unfair it is on their kids etc.

    Dont have kids unless you plan adaquete childcare arrangements in advance. As for the OP, yep i find a lot of people leaving my job for different reasons: less stress, wfh, more money, relocating etc. Covid has led to many people wanting a change and actually going through with it too.

    There is always a reason not to leave a job but you have to weigh it up and see if its the right thing for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,090 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Nope.

    Government non-recognition of service outside government in the EU means I'm unlikely to ever be a government employee here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    That's what I did last year.

    Could see a pile of sh1te ahead of us and jumped into the Public Sector for safety. Less money than I was earning in my previous job but I'd rather the security of a Government job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...in order to have a functioning employment market, we must also have functioning social supports, if this does not occur, it generally leads to total dysfunction of both, this is what occurs when critical social needs are not fulfilled, child care in this case. in order to do this, employers must play a part in making sure this occurs, either in house, our at state level, or other public levels. if we dont do this, we are destined for social and economic collapse, due to the dysfunctions created!

    funnily enough, you ll probably find most peoples existence is unplanned, maybe this is changing now, but we actually dont live on a planet whereby all outcomes are planned, and perfectly executed, 'accidents' happen, and the fact, we actually need people having kids, or it would eventually lead to the demise of our race, and the fact, most developed nations are now experiencing a rapid decline in births, leading to aging populations, and all its problems, like who the hell is gonna run the place when we re just too old!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Must be very disruptive - how would you get stuff done with that sort of changeover at supervising level?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    "Back in the olden days, when employers had a labour shortage, they sweetened the deal by paying their employees more. How had that part of the social contract gone out the window?"

    I think you may be right wrt this. Loyalty in general is on the wane. More of a dog eat dog kinda society.

    One solution is to be self employed and to be your own boss, but then you have to worry about loyalty of customers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    we have encouraged, possible even forced 'atomisation' of our societies and workforce, we reap what we sow!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    Huge issue within the industry I work in with staff, its been on a decline anyway. Pay being the main driver but conditions being another. I think the last 2 years has really accelerated what would have happened organically. Alot of these jobs have no security, no benefits and I suppose the staff have seen how exposed they are. Ireland is an expensive country to live in, even if your doing your best to budget.

    People stay initially out of loyalty but when there is the possibility of more money people would be mad not to move



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,171 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    People living longer is certainly part of if El_Dude, though if you look at life expectancy for Ireland over the past 50 years it's gone up by ten years. Retirement age has stayed pretty much the same. So I'm not so sure its impact while certainly a factor, is that significant.

    IMHO it's all the other wider economic changes that have come along(along with a larger population and raised expectations and "cheap" credit). In 1970 a family could think of and indeed did get a mortgage or rent and raise a usually larger family on one wage. Many, if not most did just that. There was also more social housing available. Today unless the father or mother were well minted that would be a pipedream for all but a tiny minority.

    Another factor I'd see in many work environments is the "always contactable" factor. Now with email and mobiles for many 9-5 is a fantasy. Never mind so many with crazy commutes to even get to work. We've become a lot more time poor and where once elderly rellies and kids were looked after almost always by women to be fair, now we have to pay and pay through the nose for that. I've long reckoned that the reason the corporate world and governments embraced Feminism in the workplace was less to do with the clear and obvious moral reasons and more because previously "free" and off the books work, could be monetised and taxed, while they got double the consumers and workers. Always follow the money, or maybe I'm too cynical. 😁

    Loyalty and work ethic has been hit by more "corporate american" attitudes and IMHO I would put a lot less "blame" on younger workers for not being too arsed tbh. I mean look at something like our basic utility bills. Loyalty is actually penalised. We're far better off in the pocket chopping and changing as much as possible as "new customers" than being long standing "loyal customers". That social contract has long been torn up.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    I left my job late last year .... Had enough.

    I've a 7 figure sum in the bank, all from saving and investing the surplus. I'm early 50s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    id argue, we re now starting to experience ideological collapse, and we dont really know what to do about it, hell, most probably havent even accept this possibility yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Now that's a big strawman of what I said. And I didn't say anything about a chopping block.

    I said I'm fine with paying for older people. But I also said we need to discuss the consequences of peoppe living longer and costing a lot more. Exhibit A would be thew way you said the retirement age has stayed the same for long time. But you failed to make the really, really basic observation that people live longer after retirement than ever before and they need the young and working people to pay for their care for longer than ever before. What I called for was discussion of these basic facts but you demonstrated the reluctance to even acknowledge the basic facts, let alone a willingness to discuss them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    One of the main problems with a lot of work places now is the amount of corporate bs employees have to put up with; over the top bureaucracy and EHS, wellness initiatives all the rage now too, but, not really of any use to the vast amount of employees, just window dressing or box ticking exercises to make companies feel good about themselves. Most people are seeing through all this bs and are getting fed up of it, there's only so much of that people can take before they have to leave for something else, especially if they are get better pay and conditions in a new job



  • Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭ericfartman


    The job market is actually booming at the minute in IT. People are moving on for better money and if a company treated you like crap during lockdown all there best employees are already gone. Where I work its still voluntarily to go into the office.

    I know some companies forced people back at the whiff of the government mentioning it and these companies now have to get to contractors in and pay over the odds cause no one will work for them.

    With the higer cost of living people are scrambling to get work from home jobs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,708 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    There seems to be a constant drip of people leaving my current job, combined with the legacy of social distancing means Im now barely on first name terms with the majority of my colleagues.Will probably leave myself due to it.

    🙈🙉🙊



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