Two motorcyclists killed today on M50

There have been a number of crashes on the M50 this week, (like every week). Only 1 of which involved a motorbike.

2 cars ended up in a field near Ballymun yesterday after loosing control on the M50. Go put yourself in the bin.

Where did I say the garda would be catching bikers?

You clearly have an anti biker agenda here and you lack the sensitivity required to participate in a discussion like this.

The worst road users are car owners by far. Wrong lanes, no signalling, tail gating, too fast, not using mirrors, holding cups of coffee while changing lanes without looking or indicating.

It's frightening how unaware of their surroundings that some car owners are, but hey let's blame bikers and dance on two mens graves while we're at it.

You're a disgrace

There is 1'000 times the number of crazy car drivers than there are bike riders. Bikes tend to suffer more as they are not as protected as car drivers. I lost track of the number of cars and jeeps that drive right up to my back bumper and hurtle over bad roads like rally drivers. Most bikers I know [I am one of them] tend to be respectful and careful. The odd bad apple does not mean the whole bag is rotten. A better network of bike schools and advanced bike rider courses would greatly help bikers keep their skills up, as it stands things are only just satisfactory.

In all my years driving on the M50, I've only ever felt nervous from the erratic driving by car owners.

The ones weaving from lane to lane, overtaking & undertaking to get somewhere a few minutes quicker. On a wet day, I like to leave a reasonable gap between the car in front only to see drivers use it as an opportunity to swerve in front of me.

That said, I never have or would hate a child of mine to drive a motorbike because of the high risk of a fatality in a motor accident.

By all accounts they collided with each other which caused the accident, very careless riding in a pair that really shouldn't happen ....and given their ages unlikely novice riders

I liken the M50 to a war. Driving standards are so poor

Some kind of mechanical failure. But even then if you never serviced your vehicle or ignored weird noises it wowouldn't be an accident.

Accidents are very rare and it's a word that let's poor driving or negligence off the hook.

Let's take this "accident". Before some details came out I said one of possibly four people make a mistake and we will never hear the real cause of this and bikers will carry on as usual and car drivers will carry on like usual. Looking at the last few comments I was right.

You are using a thread about two deaths on the M50 to push some sort of bizare anti motorbike agenda, By the sounds of it id say you need to be banned of the M50 if you really do drive that it is. your attitude is terrible.

If you think you need 5 mirrors to spot a motorbike coming from behind is suggest going back to take some driving lessons.

Not sure what you mean by weaving in and out of traffic as if that exclusive to bikes only. I see all sorts of vehicles do this on the road.

If you mean filtering then it sounds like you might of had a run in before cutting across someone who was filtering, probably explains your bizare 5 mirror comment.

Was behind a car last week on road to Tralee from limerick, I was like 2-3 car lengths behind on a nice wide national road, another lad on a bike overtakes me close enough that if I'd stretched my leg or moved slightly to avoid something on the road we'd have hit. He overtakes into the space between me and the other car and then instantly exists off the road.

Can't stand people doing that (bikes or car), either you're a **** and it's a power thing or you're so inpatient and unaware of your surroundings that you don't know your exists next.

In the car today in the lashing rain a bike with a passenger cut in right at a tight small roundabout, if I didn't brake he'd been hitting my car or divide.

Does the 1.5m rule for cyclist apply.

Anytime there is a motorcycle death on the roads it brings out the trolls / anti bike brigade in their droves. They have their agenda. I've been sucked in before. They need their few minutes to rant and spew.

Fúck them and the horse they rode in on. They'll be gone from the bike forum next week.

Very thorough reply, but I'm happy to assume it was an accident. I don't care what terminology emergency services use, two men have passed, and I don't think arguing over technicalities helps in any way.

I do realise this type of thing is what you live for, though.

The sooner they install average speed cameras on the M50 the better.

Whilst some see them as money generators the facts speak for themselves.

Here in NI they have been on the A2 for years.

You rarely hear of a crash on the A2 these days whereas previously it was a very regular occurrence causing untold delays for thousands of motorists.

It may not have prevented Fridays accident as that was a freak accident, but it would make the road a lot safer with a lot less crashes.

As someone that drives a lot, I generally find bikers some of the most mannerly on the road.