Russia

seriously, this whole topic is pointless as embraces one point of view only: Russia is BAD, Ukraine is GOOD, anything which doesnt fit it is BAD, lets blame Putin for everything, guess he fixed our last elections as well ...oh, forgot 'cyber attacks' on HSE and DAA and as far as I know, Russia still winning this war as their only objective was to take over SE regions and they succeeded.

ok, as first Putin wanted to avoid having border with NATO so [quote] It's widely believed (and quite obvious) they wanted to take the whole country [end quote] is complete rubbish as he'll end up having border with Poland which is NATO member. Initial attack in Kievs direction was simple tactical move to spread Ukrainian forces wide and thin and even Stevie Wonder would see it, in mean time Ukrainian resistance being blown away by own tanks on check points (quite funny).

Next The ransomware cyber attack on the HSE was believed to be carried out by a Russian criminal gang guess because RTE said so.

In regards of Ukrainians slaughtering Russians info here https://tass.com/world/1401797?utm_source=google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=google.com&utm_referrer=google.com , there are other sources as well.

Finally, I'm really curious where did you get information that Russian forces were using mobile phones to communicate between own units and these other funny stories?

Finland has a long border with Russia, it's (quite rightly) making it's own decision to join a defensive organisation, according to you, does that validate Putin attacking Finland? If your answer is no, then why use is as a pretext to validate attacking an entire country?

Likewise, on Russian state TV and in it's parliament they regularly talk about attacking European countries, invading them, nuking them, their helicopters have "onwards to Berlin" written on them. When's the last time you heard e.g. Finland talking about invading Russia. Who is the real threat there do you think?

The notion that Russian's northern move on Kyiv was a "feint" is highly unlikely, not to mention a little silly. Russia took immense losses. It's pretty obvious they assumed, like many analysts did, that the country would fall quickly like Hungary, Czechoslovakia or more recently Afghanistan.

TASS is a state controlled Russian news agency. You claimed Ukrainian "scum" killed thousands of Russians prior to 2014, can you support that?

For the HSE attack, sure:

Russians using mobile phones (and unencrypted walkie-talkies)

Previously you mentioned you don't like to see Putin being portrayed as "bad". How do you see him and his rule?

He's been in power for 20 years, Russian people can't protest (they risk up to 15 years in jail for even holding up a blank piece of paper), independent journalism has been criminalised, genuine political opposition face being put under house arrest, poisoned or murdered. He has just chosen to illegally invade a neighbouring democratic European country that is a threat to absolutely no one, killing the people, levelling cities to the ground, burning their books, using filtration camps, bringing in mobile crematoria vans, bombing their hospitals and schools, the list goes on and on. You see it differently right?

Typical CT’ist. Run when your nonsense is challenged. What happened at Hostomel in your opinion?

Note the pattern, every time.

It was just like I predicted about Kharkiv, the Russians pushed back the Ukrainian forces and retook some villages. No one in the west even talks about the Kharviv offensive anymore. Big claims about pushing down into Izium to counter Russia's attack in the Donbas didn't happen, they couldn't, was a lie. 

It was nothing more than a retreat to secure the lines. As soon as the Ukrainians tried to go further, they got beaten up. Western media doesn't report Kherson offensive was a disaster. Wasn't even a counterattack with massive armor and men moves, what they tried failed. I've seen the videos. This is why the U.S. is telling Ukraine they may have to give up territory. The Nato weapons are not going to stop Russia. The Russian army is grinding down the Ukrainian army and suffering fewer losses now. They don't lose their army making stupid mistakes. In the east, Ukraine hasn't won anything since the Kyiv operation, it's been downhill since then, with Russia grabbing pieces piece by piece every week.  

You claimed Mariupol had completely fallen and then Moscow spent a month or more waiting until it finally fell. I remember you writing about the "final push" to Kyiv early in the conflict. You just modify and distort everything to fit your generic "anti-West" narratives.

Since "the West" has aligned with Ukraine, naturally you align and indirectly cheer for the opposing totalitarian country invading it. It's like a religious cult. Of course you are "smart" enough to pay lipservice to the horrendous state of Russia, but you have systematically supported Putin in every post I've ever seen you make here. It's completely normal in the topsy-turvy world of conspiracy theorists for individuals like you to support the totalitarian police state, whilst going ape about the harmless democracy :)

Still confused what this has to do with 9/11

Nothing, Cheerful and other pro putineers just need a place to dump thier shite.

Cheerful's long ago given up his 9/11 stuff cause he's made himself a total laughing stock with that. I think he's trying to reinvent himself as an expert on military tactics and a crusader against nazis (Just not the nazis he likes).

They're not doing much to defend the city by hiding underground like rats. 98-99% of the city was in Russian hands at the time and no help was coming. The Ukrainian government even told them they couldn't help. They exhausted their food and water and medical supplies and they had to surrender. Compare this to Stalingrad, where the Soviets counterattacked and pushed back the Wehrmacht?

Once they ran and hid for their lives, it was over. There was some brave last stand in your world hiding from the Russians? No matter if it's an official announcement or not, the battle for the city was over,. 

In order to take Kyiv in Feb and March, you'd have to combine Russian forces in the east and south. The forces surrounding Mariupol and Kharkiv would have to come up and join the forces in the north, so they could attack from different areas. 

 There weren't enough forces up north in February to hold a city that big. Moving large military columns without artillery support is very unRussian. The Russians messed up somewhere here and plans had to be changed. Slow and grinding now in the East, but it stops mass casualties on their side. Bringing Russia's artillery down on defenses and just mopping up who's left. It ain't a Blitzkrieg, but at least you have an army left to take the rest of the Donbas and Lugansk. Even if it takes you longer to get there, and the losses are less, how is that not a smart strategy? 

 There's a tendency to forget that the Ukraine army has one of the largest standing armies in Europe, with modern equipment, for boots on the ground fighting. There's a real war between two strong armies. There's a toughness and hardness about the fighters on both sides, but I think Russia just has too much know-how about war for Ukraine to win. Very few countries have beaten Russia militarily. Russia will always find a way to win.  

Nato attacked Yugoslavia in 1999 and not that long ago. The UN didn't approve it again. Same with Iraq 2003. The US decided to pick a side and attack the Serbs who happened to be Russian allies. Nato has always had a geopolitical agenda, which is to make Russia's security vulnerable. If you think Nato is friendly to Russian interests, you're living on the wrong planet  

When the West sends heavy weapons to kill its soldiers, what do you expect to see on their TV? If civil war broke out in France, and the government was up against some resistance allied with the UK, would the French government be hostile on their networks to the UK meddling in their business? You just ignore that the West decided to arm Ukraine against Russia, even though the Russia federation never declared war on them. It's probably not just luck that Putin doesn't listen to TV because if he did, we'd be at WW3. If the West doesn't watch what it does, we might see Russia attacking a Nato member. Do people think it's worth billions of dead on this planet so they can punish Putin?  

You're living in a different world. He's hell-bent on taking over Ukraine. Why didn't he mobilize the whole nation and declare war? Why haven't you ever addressed this? What's he waiting for since you guys think he wants to annex entire countries past Ukraine? 

Then he'll have a million men or more and he'll take out the Ukrainians? I don't think Putin wants all-out war with Ukraine to rule it in the end, his main goals seem to be what he said on TV before the invasion. His army has set a goal to take Donbas and Lugansk. Now if you say he wants a friendly government to Russia inside Ukraine, then I'm with you there, but I don't see a war plan for the full takeover here at all. It would require a full declaration of war. You guys totally ignore that..  

Ukraine has mobilized the entire country for war. Russia hasn't. It's impressive that the Russians are gaining a foothold in the east despite all odds. In April, Ukraine probably had a 3-1 advantage on the ground. They had 300,000 men/women before the war started and probably doubled that in the months following the war. Hard to receive accurate numbers from the Ukraine army though. Ukraine's losses aren't accurate since Russia only has 200,000 soldiers. So how could the Russians push them back if only 8000 were killed? It's not surprising Ukraine lies about a lot of stuff. 

They wouldn't be fighting for the country they faced up to some realities that Russia would never accept them joining Nato and trying to take back Donbas and Lugansk by military ways was never going to work. Completely ignore that Putin tried to reason with the west before he invaded and he got threatened instead. Diplomacy like this is what caused this war and now threatens a third world war. It's all rhetoric from your kind till it's all too late and Russia decides the west is gone too far and major war breaks out across Europe with everyone behind the computer talking tough right now will be killed. They don't even know that Russia decides the fate of this planet here since they seem so blind to the fact that these weapons are killing Russian soldiers in another country, which would be considered an act of war by most nations!!! 

People in another thread think it's the 1940s, so they poke the bear with a stick and there are no consequences. If Russia strikes back at a Nato installation everyone will be **** their pants and worried, right? Let's hope the new missile systems avoid hitting Russia. West don't think that far ahead. So you end up with Putin invading 

Lol those poor Russian underdogs...

Widely regarded as heroes with nazi tattoos??? That shows where you're coming from. I wouldn't call hiding deep underground impressive. Why didn't the Neo Nazis fight back instead of hiding? There is no helping you actually believe Azov are war heroes you're the same people be supporting the SS in Germany, lived there back then.   

Ukraine was never a country until 1991. Part of the Soviet Union ( Russia) for most of its history in the 20th century. The only reason it's a war is that the younger generation has forgotten their history and wants to rebuild the state on some crazy ideology based on Banderism. Zelensky can't control it because he let it fester too long, and now the neo nazis are running things. Despite banning left and right parties' opposition, he allowed one nationalist/neo nazi party to stay. So in this conspiracy theory, can't call out neo/nazis around the world? I just see that Russia has a point that there's a lot of white nationalism going on in Ukraine and is very dangerous. When has Moscow had a white nationalism/neo nazi flag march? I could go on google and pull down images that show neo nazis marching through the city center of Kyiv. Because they hate the Russians so much, they ignore all the bad here, 

Western intelligence hasn't been good, partly because they wanted to keep the war going. I think some of the intelligence is deliberate misdirection. 

Anyhow. In April and May, the UK MOD and US DOD said Ukraine won the east, supplies were depleted, Russian forces were demoralized, refusing to fight, and morale was low. and they have no cruise missiles left ( march story), the stories are endless, of course, none of this is true. A demoralized army doesn't win battles. There are even stories that Putin, as depicted on television, is not real and is already deceased. Seen some real crap stories about Russia that dont make sense. 

I've seen Hells Angels with more Nazi regalia.

The steelworks men and women held up multiple Russian BTG's

Bizarre. I've never read any story about the Russians having no cruise missiles left, and I've been following the conflict daily, from a wide variety of sources, link to it? This better not be a solitary blog or story, likewise some spin you've put on another story (e.g. speculation that their cruise missile inventory was running low which is something completely different)

Back in March, I read these stories. Here's one from April 4.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/putin-running-out-missiles-jets-26627647

Anyone who knows anything about Russia knows it has own military industrial complex so they can make and import missiles parts on the fly from its allies like Iran and China and others. 

Now that we're in June, when do the Russians start running out of jets tanks, and missiles? There are more stories like this on US and UK official websites, but I didn't save them to show how ridiculous it all gets. Just for laughs, maybe I should.  

Comparing Hells Angels to Azovs / Neo Nazis. Do not enter their bars and say that!!

BTGs weren't held back, they were on top of where people lived, And many redeployed weeks before the surrender. 

 The Azov and Ukrainian marines hid underground and hid until they ran out of food, water, and medicine. there was barely any resistance at all. Your kind of outlook fought bare-fisted to the end, and fought street to street. That's funny, but knowing you're delusional about other things, it's not surprising.