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JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Kennedy didn't block Connally's shot at all, this is just another myth. A bullet had plenty of room to strike Connally's right shoulder, evidenced by the pictures.


    The person who found the bullet says it was nothing like the one in the archive. He says the FBI took it and the Carcano one showed up later. That video I watched a while back I'm pretty sure someone has written about that online somewhere that the bullet in the hospital is even disputed. If come across the video I will post it.

    There were a lot of fishy things going on in that Dallas jail where men showed up and would not let Oswald talk to former intelligence officer John Hurt in North Carolina. John Hurt lived next to a spy training base where recruits got trained as spies to infiltrate the Soviet Union. Oswald is weird in every way, including his friendship with George Mohrenshildt, an anti-communist who hates the soviets. He was a White Russian with intelligence ties, even the woman who Marina stayed with has intelligence and political ties. Oswald doesn't really spend much around people that are communists, at all. All evidence is he was recruited at very young age sheep-dipped to do intelligence work, I think his background as marine and seemly has good intelligence was ideal recruit for the intelligence networks.  Even CIA people testified that they saw a file saying Oswald was paid by the CIA, all of those files have probably been shredded now. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    What a load of fact free waffle.

    You didnt answer this

    So a bullet goes through JFK from behind, comes out of his throat and goes.... where? Where did it go? How did it not hit Connally?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Show me the first bullet and we'll talk about the second one. The first bullet was never found and the second bullet is just another deflection from you. 

    Again, you got it wrong. Claim Kennedy blocked Connally, as I showed you by the image in post-1765 (false). A second bullet could have hit Connally's right shoulder and not hit Kennedy. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Cowardice.

    First bullet hit a curb, some of it hit James Tague and was never found as it likely smashed into a milion pieces.

    Photo here

    https://emuseum.jfk.org/objects/29083/black-and-white-photograph-of-curb-in-dealey-plaza

    2nd bullet then. Again - So a bullet goes through JFK from behind, comes out of his throat and goes.... where? Where did it go? How did it not hit Connally?

    You wont answert this - because you can't. Case closed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    The link doesn't say anything about a bullet breaking up into pieces., Just leave it as some speculation. Regardless, a bullet wasn't found in any form left near the shooting. 

    What happened to the second bullet? We have proof that Kennedy and Connolly both got hit separately. Video time-lapses and Connally's back wound back that up. Connally's bullet had to end up somewhere I agree with you there.  

    There was a bullet found, that's true. Neither side disputes that record. At Parkland hospital, a bullet was found. 

     Is that bullet ( FBI archive)t the one Connally was wounded by or was it planted there later or changed out?  

    When two people who found the bullet ( one of them) confirmed on video that the bullet in the archive didn't match the one found on the hospital stretcher?  

    Well, that makes sense, the story is more plausible that Connally's bullet got switched. The fake was put there instead. Totally messed up on Connally's rib and wrist bones getting hit, it would seriously deform the entire surface of the Carcano bullet. When you're doing a quick switch of bullet days or weeks after the events, you'll not have all the facts and medical records to know that bullet looks out of place.

    How do we know that bullet that hit the curb wasn't the one that exited Kennedy's throat? it could have gone anywhere after leaving the throat. A lot of people at Parkland Hospital reported there was a small hole in the windscreen of the presidential limo. You can see a small crack on the windscreen when Clint Hill was jumping on it from the rear (photographs) Did the first bullet exit the throat, went through the windscreen and hit a roadside curb, and land somewhere? 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Didnt answer the question again. Cowardice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    I did answer it. Three shots, only.

    Kennedy was hit, Connally was hit and then Kennedy was hit in the head by another.

    It's possible that the missed shot actually hit Kennedy's back, exited his throat, hit the Windscreen, and went through it before hitting a curb? 

    Another bullet hit Connally on the right shoulder and it was in his pants and fell out?

    Shot three- grassy knoll/stockyard, Kennedy's head explodes.

    Doesn't completely rule out Oswald as a shooter in the back. There is no evidence that one bullet passed through two bodies at all here. Then we have the testimony of two people who found the bullet said it was a pointed bullet they found on the stretcher. Carcano bullet ( FBI archive) was shown to them and they said it wasn't the one we gave them. A single person who found the bullet might have been able to make the mistake, but two seem odd. If it wasn't a Carcano bullet that hit Connally, there had to be another shooter somewhere in the back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    It's possible that the missed shot actually hit Kennedy's back, exited his throat, hit the Windscreen, and went through it before hitting a curb?


    Nope



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    You debunkers ignore all the Consequential details. Moments after the shooting, you can see a crack in the windscreen. Ignore that Connelly's right shoulder wound is only 1.5cm, so it's likely the tip of the bullet hit him and penetrated the skin. This disproves the long-held belief that the bullet exited Kennedy's throat and was tumbling sideways.

     Don't mind that none of the Warren Commission's ballistic tests replicated the same damage to the bullet?. Ignore the bullet found at Parkland hospital by the head of security and another worker was a different caliber bullet? How many red flags do you need to convince that Connally was not hit by the same bullet? Even Connally says he believes he was hit by a different bullet. 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    There was no bullet hole in the windshield.

    There was no other bullet found on the stretcher.

    So - 5th time of asking - if a different bullet hit Connally, where did the bullet that passed through JFKs neck go?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    What's the point of taking you seriously when you dont know the facts. O. P. Wright, head of security at Parkland Hospital and former Dallas cop, gave a JFK researcher a bullet

    This is the bullet he gave a JFK researcher in 1966. Told him the bullet found on the stretcher looked like this.  


    Looks nothing like the Carcano bullet that appeared later after it was handed over to the secret service and later the FBI. Darrell C. Tomlinson, who found the bullet, wasn't asked by Specter, "Is that the one you found?" Wow, like any competent lawyer would try to confirm this was the same bullet!!

    The Warren Commission only called witnesses who agreed with the lone gunman story. Even though he was head of security and the man who was given the bullet to keep, OP Wright was not called here. Either was Dr Joseph Dolce, who was in charge of the Warren ballistic tests, he strongly disagreed that one bullet caused all the wounds. The Warren commission wasn't interested in voices that didn't back up the lone gunman theory. Withheld his report for ten years after the Warren commission finished up.  

    Quote from him" one bullet striking the President’s neck, the Governor’s chest and wrist, should be badly deformed, as our experiments at the Edgewood Arsenal proved.”

    Warren Commission didn't care about the truth, it was just for PR and to hide the fact that Dallas had more shooters. There's plenty of evidence that Connally wasn't hit by the bullet that exited Kennedy's throat. Videos and witnesses, and expert testimony prove it. 

    Check your facts because a lot of hospital staff said there was a hole in the windscreen, big enough for a bullet to pass through. I've seen people interviewed on this, but I have to look for the videos again.  

    Obsession about the bullet leaving Kennedy's throat must be the same one that hit Connally. 

    Connally's shoulder wound is 1.5cm, so how did the bullet tumble sideways? You don't want to talk about this, because you know its a flaw.  That 1.5 cm wound shows the bullet was stable and came in at an angle or slight deviation. There's no reason to believe the bullet was unstable and moving all over the place before hitting Connally. Connally entry wound support this. In the Zapruder film, Kennedy was hit by a bullet and then Connally was hit. On film, there's no evidence that both men were hit by the same bullet. Their own experts disagreed with the Warren Commission, so they kept those reports quiet. The bullet that hit Connally seems to be a different caliber, so why they switched that out goes a long way to explaining that other bullets may have been found in Dallas that day and simply removed 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Cowardly timewaster.

    There was no hole in the windscreen by the way. There was a crack.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Onlookers and doctors and nurses saw a hole in the front windscreen. After the Limo left, he'd have to trust that nobody tampered with the glass later. 

    Here's a picture that's supposed to show the damage. It looks like there's a small opening.While the limo was parked at the hospital, I can't confirm what the people saw is this , but they went up close and saw a hole, not just a crack. This is an official image 




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Drag everything down to absurd granular details. Evade questions. See something in a photo. Never explain the conspiracy.

    Notice how it's always the same deceptive M.O.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    It was a crack.

    Two large pieces from a 6.5mm bullet - confirmed as having been fired from Oswald's rifle - were found in the front seat of the car. This is what very likely cracked the windshield.

    In addition, James Altgens first photo shows no damage to the windshield before the head shot so it couldnt have been from an earlier bullet. The one you claim/made up. His 2nd photo (after the headshot) is the one that shows the crack.

    So no, the bullet couldnt have passed through JFKs throat and out the window.

    Another little fact, brain and blood matter extended as far forward as the hood of the car.

    So - 6th (and last) time of asking - if a different bullet hit Connally, where did the bullet that passed through JFKs neck go?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Where's the photo? He took the photos as the car passed the TSBD before the shooting even started. One of his best photos was when Clint Hill jumped on the back of the limo, but the event was over at that point.

    Please show the front of the car between the two shots?  

    Please link me to the story about the 6.5mm bullet pieces found in the limousine? Either way, it doesn't change the fact that Connally got shot by a different bullet. I don't know if Kennedy got hit in the back with a 6.5mm bullet? I argue that the bullet that hit Connally came from a different rifle.  

    You don't want to listen to what I said about what could have happened to the bullet as it exited Kennedy's throat numerous times. You don't even answer my complaints about how a bullet that's 3cm long could tumble sideways when the entry wound on Connally's shoulder was only 1.5cm. The single-bullet theory was discredited weeks ago because you guys believe the magic bullet left Kennedy's throat and hit Connally sideways. You can't deny that you uploaded a picture with the bullet going sideways, causing a 3 cm entry wound. Unfortunately for single bullet theorists like yourself, the wound of entry was 1.5cm confirmed by Connally doctor Robert Shaw,.  



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Look up the Altgens photos yourself.

    Look up the bullet fragments being found yourself.

    You've no problem finding the most irrelevant infinitesimal details in the depths of conspiracy cranks websites but when told about the most widely available information out there its "oh show me a link" while still dodging basic questions.

    Garden varierty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But conspiracy theorists don't like to do their own research...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    There's a cover-up when the Warren commission starts hiding the work it commissioned.

     As said previously.

    Dr Joseph Dolce, who was in charge of the Warren ballistic tests, strongly disagreed that one bullet caused all the wounds. The Warren commission wasn't interested in voices that didn't back up the lone gunman theory. Withheld his report for ten years after the Warren commission finished up.  

    Quote from him" one bullet striking the President’s neck, the Governor’s chest and wrist, should be badly deformed, as our experiments at the Edgewood Arsenal proved.”

    It was actually discredited by their own expert's single bullet theory, they put a lid on it. If you live in your bizarre world, everything is done right, there are never bad actors in the west if it's the Russians, of course you believe it then. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,230 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I think Aliens shot JFK, from 16 different angles, but I can't provide any coherent details of it, only suggest it through denial of the event.

    That's the level we are at here.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    You've done it again. No photo. Just tried to sound smart and failed. You want me to confirm your bullet fragements in the limo? Can't you just do it yourself? Please share the link.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    That was in 1964. Technology can help.


    Look at this from 1hr 16 mins. Shows how the same bullet could do the damage. Its more deformed but thats because it hit 2 ribs. Still a whole bullet. Case closed.



    And no, Google the basics yourself you time waster.

    But if you insist

    https://lmgtfy.app/?q=altgens+photos+jfk&iie=1



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    You're debunking your own theory. In the second picture, how would the bullet look if Connally's ribs were shattered and hit its right wrist bone and then his thigh? Ignoring the fact that the magic bullet hit Kennedy back and exited through his throat, too. If that's the deforming caused by hitting just ribs that shows you that single bullet theory whole lot of crap. 

    The first bullet is bent out of shape and is very deformed, from just hitting ribs..

    This is Altgen's first picture.


    Trying to be clever, but failing. The picture was taken near the TSBD, nowhere near where the shooting took place, that's why you wouldn't post it, and I knew why you kept deflecting on it.. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    If that's the deforming caused by hitting just ribs that shows you that single bullet theory whole lot of crap. 

    The ballistics test fired a bullet through a mock up of a neck, chest (inc ribs) and a thigh/wrist.

    Again, you obviously didnt bother watching it. It proves the SBT is possible.

    Time waster



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    The bullet didn't hit the wrist or thigh. Once it left the second mock-up chest, it came to a halt and the bullet was deformed, like in the first picture. Let's just ignore the fact that their bullet was deformed and bent out of shape. For a test to be successful, it has to look like the bullet in the archive. This bullet went way too low through his chest bone. Kennedy's throat wound was much higher. All it proves is that bullets can move through gelatin and hit another mock up of gelatin. Doesn't really explain anything.

    In the Moorman photo there is good evidence of a second shooter at the Stockyard. There's definitely something there that looks like a man with a hat on and a rifle sticking up in his left hand after Kennedy's head got pushed over to the side from the headshot. A witness saw the hardhat man in the stockyard just after the shooting. Unfortunately, the heavy shadows in that area blocked his face. You can see a rough outline of someone standing there.   

    Up close now.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol cheerful is seeing things in photos again...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    At least two standout anomalies.

    Two circled in green and red. There's something behind those fences that's taller than the top of the picket fence. I'd say it's shaped like a person standing watching, at least on the right ( red circle). A lot harder to figure out the left anomalies, looks like some kind of work hat or railway cap. Too bad the resolution in that area was bad. The position of the anomalies is over a picket fence so it's some background stuff and not a tree. The shape in the red circle has the shape of a human being, Can see the bush clearly in the background, not that.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol maybe it's the same guy with a giant mirror in between?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Using an old low resolution photo aswell. These photos and vidoes have been digitally enhanced years ago and guess what - theres no one there.

    And even if there was, the Moorman photo is a split second before the headshot and Cheerful thinks the shooter is aiming the rifle into the sky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭King Mob




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    With the fence and the bushes in the background, you can tell this image is something else. In old pictures of the grassy knoll there are no hanging features behind the fences, it's just an open parking lot. The shape behind the fences is human-like. The area of the photograph had a lot of shadows, but you can still see the image, even the enhanced one., I'd not bet lot of money on that person holding a gun, but it most likely was someone looking out over the fence.

    People found footprints behind the fence after the shooting, and witnesses saw a guy dressed in a suit and another guy wearing overalls and a hat. According to an eyewitness who looked from the bridge, the man in the business suit used a gun, passed it to the other guy to take it apart, split it into two pieces, and put the pieces in some tool kit, and walked off. 

    He is real because a motorcycle cop ran into him not too long after the shooting and he flashed a fake badge to the cop and was let go. The man was never heard from again, it's weird how there's a guy with a fake badge in the area where people thought the third shot/fourth came from. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    The same "human like" shape is there after the shooting. Look at the Willis and Betzner photos. Same "human like" shapes. Its a shadow.



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    looks like some kind of work hat or railway cap

    "Hay, guys, check it out.......there's a blurry bit of the photo that looks like nothing other than a blurry bit of a photo...........but I think it happens to look just like a construction style hard-hat (which are almost always white or yellow) or maybe even a railway cap (which are almost always black), even though it couldn't possibly look like both at the same time, seeing as they're different colours and different shapes..........but would ya look at that, my theory happens to be identical to the prevailing theory that I just outlined where witnesses saw a man in a hard-hat leaving the scene.....Wow!.....what're the odds!!!!?!".

    Would you GTFO of here with that rubbish, FFS.

    Not only are you ignoring the fact that the guy allegedly seen in the Moorman photos is known as the "Badge" man (not, you'll notice, The "hardhat" man), but you're literally just circling splotches of a photo that don't even look like anything. I mean, have you even circled the correct location of the badgeman in that photo? You're making this up as you go along, aren't you? This is a repeat of the guy holding the mirror in the 9/11 pics, isn't it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Badge man doesn't exist. His alleged placement (red line behind the white wall) doesn't make sense. 


    Anyone shooting a rifle there is going to get noticed. Zapruder was in the green marked area, with a clear line of sight to see if there was a shooter. 

    Witnesses in and around that area saw a business suit-wearing man and a railroad worker. There's no doubt about the business suit guy because the motorcycle cop who ran to the grassy knoll after the shooting saw him flashing a fake badge in the parking lot behind the fence, and the cop let him go. This man in the suit disappeared and was never heard from again. When you flash a fake badge in an area where eyewitnesses say the fatal headshot came from, you're probably up there for a reason and it's probably some operation.

    He was the shooter or the person watching the back of the shooter. The guy flashing a fake badge is explosive information seems to just got ignored for whatever reasons. You debunkers don't get it. Cop on motorcycle thinks the guy was a secret service agent but the White House denied any secret service agent was stationed around the fence. Who that man was and why he did not show up again is a mystery. 



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    CIA connections aren't weird at all, even if he passed info along to J Walter Moore? Moore worked in the Domestic Contact Division of the CIA.  

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/10/23/cia-is-expanding-domestic-operations/7e62ab9b-8c1c-4202-b7bd-44b3fb6931c0/

    George was clearly running some operation to handle Oswald or feed the CIA info. It's alleged he shot himself in the head before he could testify to HSCA. 

    Eyewitnesses who saw strange things that didn't match the official report started to die in car accidents and in a short time from illness or suicide. 

    Oswald worked for a company that did contract work for the CIA. His friends seem to all have ties with the CIA. The man had experience in military intelligence, he went to the Soviet Union and came back without being interrogated, and he even brought his wife back from Russia. He had fake documents and fake ID in his wallet. He went on weird trips to Mexico. When he was arrested, he wanted to call a North Carolina intelligence officer from the Dallas jail, but men in suits wouldn't let it go through. All the things Oswald told the police officers when interrogated disappeared. Then he ends up dead on tv. This story makes no sense. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Theres no evidence it was a fake badge.

    Head of security for the Texas trip Mike Howard:

    We deputized everybody we could get our hands on -- including agents from ATF [actually the A&TT, the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax investigators -- the forerunner of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms], customs, border patrol, reserve police, deputy sheriffs, etc. The motorcade route in Dallas was crawling with these people, especially in Dealey Plaza and the overpass.


    So no, there may not have been Seret Service there.But could have been any of th above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




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    Lemme get this right.......

    Badge man doesn't exist.......

    But you are claiming that "hard hat man" does exist? And he was in the exact same spot on the Moorman photos that badge man is said to be?

    And there's another, separate "badge man", who does exist and who really assassinated JFK, but got away with it?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    It's the same thing as the resident space skeptic did with a blurry photo to try and catch people out, but instead caught themselves out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    In testimony, the motorcycle cop said the badge he saw belonged to the White House Secret Service. There are no secret service agents working in the stockyard, says the White House after the murder.,

    In typical debunker fashion, you mix up the statement that there were perhaps undercover people in the crowd along the route. There was no agent's end of story on the grassy knoll there.

    The man who showed the badge never showed up again to let us know who he was. This is very suspicious since if you worked for the police or government you would definitely reappear and tell your superiors it was me. 

    Like shifty doesn't know the difference between the picket fence and the white wall. The man in the suit was in the parking lot after the shooting. Eyewitnesses saw the men i described near the picket fence, behind it the parking lot.

    The alleged badge man was not placed along the picket fence, he was positioned behind a white wall



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    The Politico article recently talked about Nixon and Helms (former CIA director), where Nixon hinted that they covered up a lot of dirty laundry about CIA assassinationS. Nixon might have had info that CIA had something to do with Kennedy's death. 

    Nobody should be surprised that the CIA wanted Kennedy dead. Kennedy had been rumored to be preparing to break up the CIA and was one of the main reasons the Bay of Pigs invasion failed ( called off air support for it). There were a lot of disgruntled CIA types who wanted rid of Kennedy. Plus that agency is still protecting decades old files and won't release them, that says there are still a lot of info in them that could exposed this dirty linen as the article puts it. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Yes so there was no Secret Service agent possted there at the time of the shotting. Officer Smith met him after the shooting.

    Mr. LIEBELER. There is a parking lot in behind this grassy area back from Elm Street toward the railroad tracks, and you went down to the parking lot and looked around?

    Mr. SMITH. Yes, sir; I checked all the cars. I looked into all the cars and checked around the bushes. Of course, I wasn't alone. There was some deputy sheriff with me, and I believe one Secret Service man when I got there.

    I got to make this statement, too. I felt awfully silly, but after the shot and this woman, I pulled my pistol from my holster, and I thought, this is silly, I don't know who I am looking for, and I put it back. Just as I did, he showed me that he was a Secret Service agent.

    Mr. LIEBELER. Did you accost this man?

    Mr. SMITH. Well, he saw me coming with my pistol and right away he showed me who he was.

    Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember who it was?

    Mr. SMITH. No, sir; I don't--because then we started checking the cars. 


    So the Secret Service guy who was apparently involved hung around to check the cars with the cops? What is your agenda for lying about a historical record?

    It could have been James Powell who carried US military ID. He was in that area and helped search the cars.

    Everything else you wrote, more vague waffle. Boring.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Your habit is to lie about events like this. You've already shown it twice. Falsifying Dr Shaw's statement that the entry wound was 3cm and accusing him of something he didn't say. Then you got stupid again and said Kennedy and Connally couldn't have been shot separately based on the Altgens first photo.

    You wouldn't show the photo so I did. It was taken at the TSBD, not at all when Oswald fired his rifle. Again, you got caught lying.

    Think you have reading difficulties Mr Smith obviously referring to the deputy sheriff who was there and they searched the cars. The guy with the fake badge was in the area when they arrived together, he had a secret service badge flashed it. The White House said no men who belonged to them were stationed there.

    Here's some new info I didn't know about. A journalist interviewed Dallas deputy Seymour Weitzman in 1975. According to him, he too went to the grassy knoll after the shooting and saw the fake Secret Service agent around there. Weitzman was shown pictures of different types of men. There was one he recognized. It seems this guy is connected to the watergate burglaries.

    Bernard Baker ( never heard of him till this week) apparently there were other witnesses who also picked his picture as the fake badge guy. Very interesting similar personalities are involved in the Watergate and Dallas?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Barker My opinion of him is that he's a watcher protecting the shooting team.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    The same Seymour Weitzman who was interviewed as you mention above, but years after the assassination in a sanitarium because he had schizophrenia?

    The same Seymour Weitzman who refused to sign a statement for the interviewer?

    His doctor was interviewed and said that he was badly stressed by the interview and was willing to say virtually anything to get the interviewer satisfied so he would leave.

    More waste of time nonsense from a time waster.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    He was in a veterans' home because he had severe anxiety and depression, which can cause mental instability.

    Debunkers just make stuff up to discredit eyewitnesses and claim illnesses are worse. Others who saw the picture seemed to agree with Seymour. 

    You only focus on stuff like Oswald might have shot General Walker, might have had unstable emotions, etc. you ignore all the other oddities around him that seems to have a double life of having people around them who have ties to intelligence. Makes no sense for someone like George De Mohrenschildt to associate with a person who is friendly to communists and Castro- polar opposites and live in a different world of power. George is upper class and Oswald is poor. 

    This is from his bio In 1957, de Mohrenschildt went to Communist Yugoslavia to conduct a geological field survey for the U.S. State Department-sponsored International Cooperation Administration. While in Yugoslavia, he was accused by the authorities there of making drawings of military fortifications. After returning to the United States, de Mohrenschildt was debriefed by the CIA, both in Washington and in Dallas.[36

    Anyone who's got intelligence would find it weird that George, who was debriefed by the CIA, was making friends with Oswald, who was unknown before Kennedy was murdered. Oswald has to be involved in some weirder plot, is an asset  or investigation was happening by the CIA. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    More vague waffle backed up with a wikipedia copy and paste.

    "Some weirder plot". lol how specific!

    Couple of things the article does confirm though

    1. During this period, tens of thousands of American citizens were routinely debriefed by the CIA after traveling to communist countries such as Yugoslavia, as de Mohrenschildt was.
    2. Oswald owned the rifle as it was his handwriting on the back of the backyward photos

    Cheerful debunking himself again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    The Bush family and the U.S. intelligence community don't rub shoulders with most Americans who visit the Soviet Union. There are too many friends in high places in George's life here., And you ignored the fact that the government in Yugoslavia during that time suspected him of spying.

    George claims to have met Lee H Oswald and his wife Marina for the first time during a business trip to Dallas. There was another guy with him named Col Orlov, George says. In the good, solid work done by JFK researchers, it was Walton Moore who encouraged George to help Oswald find a job and find a place to stay. Walton Moore was in charge of the Dallas CIA office, so it's pretty obvious the CIA was interested in Oswald before the fateful day in Dallas.

    As I've explained in past posts, the case against Oswald being a lone assassin is a mess. I've already given numerous examples.

    Another one.

    Captain Fritz told the HSCA {House Select Committee on Assassinations} he released a live round from the rifle found at TSBD. This is one of the three shells collected from the 6th floor. Debunkers and most people are wrong to think all three shells were used up.

    Due to Oswald's alleged missed shot . How does one bullet cause Kennedy's head wound and the body injuries to Kennedy and Connally before that fatal shot at the end?

    Unlike you, I provide real evidence: Captain Fritz's testimony. 

    https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/fritz1.htm



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    In this awesome video, the clip falls out as soon as you chamber the last bullet. What's the point of using a clip with only four bullets instead of six? No clip was found by the 6th-floor window. Photographs taken around the shooting area show no clip on the floor. 

     Even the paper bag that Oswald allegedly brought the rifle inside the TSBD was never found. The evidence alone suggests a setup. . Again, something's off here, about the rifle found. Officers initially identified it as a German Mauser and it took days to claim it was an Italian Carcano.  

    The FBI only received two empty shells from TSBD, then the third was given over and got off the floor (live round?) and then the story changed to three empty shells and one live round left in the chamber.

      




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