Men No Longer Want to Date, Why?

Housing costs, kids costs, etc etc etc

Also, loads of apps etc etc etc, so causal sex is easily available.

Also, society isn't supportive around families, except as a unit of consumerism and hamster/worker bee producers.

Then there is climate change, ecology collapse, wars, pension crisis, ...

😂

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I haven't come across the anti male stuff you mentioned. But maybe if I had a divorce I'd experience some of these issues.

It's a huge problem for society.

(Edit removed bitter statement)

I’m not sure asking on here is a good idea. You won’t get an answer that matches “real life”. Most of the single guys I know would be dating, in the normal way.

A site, like this, has developed a real MGTOW “vibe” over the last while. They’ll say that women only want them for marriage, babies, a house or whatever other nonsense they can come up with.

You’ll hear cautionary “tales” of balding lads in their early 30s getting tricked into getting with an older women who’ll marry them, get 2 kids out of him and then shuts up shop once she’s got them. And that may well happen, albeit rarely, they’ll use it as a concrete example of every woman.

Normal lads are still dating, as they always were. I don’t doubt that the dating “game” is tricky to navigate but I, certainly, wouldn’t be looking for the take on the scene on here, that’s for sure.

because its too expensive the cost of petrol, food, going out etc

cheaper staying at home and having a 'tommy tank'

Institution sexism against men? Oh, just grow a pair get over yourself.

But anyway I'm single and more than anything it's probably due to the fact that affordable housing independence is currently impossible for me.

*porn hubs 'misogynistic gonzo porn'

No. Maybe read a history book or look at current events and come back to me with why feminism is unnecessary?

(Edit) referring to previous post which had a load of stereotypes in it ....

I hate online games.

I play single player offline games.

And I'm bald.

I don't watch online games like soccer or formula one.

But yeah, the original post has a couple of unrelated things in it. It's a rant wrapped up in a why don't guys commit question.

The type of costliness that men have to endure becomes incredibly tiring over time. Take something as basic as Tinder which is how most meet these days. The experience of it as a guy is horrible. You swipe right to incredibly high amounts of people just to get enough matches for some conversations. Huge amounts of the conversations don't get a reply as the women have 100's of matches available to them because the guys have to swipe right on so many. Due to the vast options available to the women, they put so little effort into the conversation and expect you to basically chase them. Guys are treated pretty disposable, which we are, so its a terribly exhausting dynamic. Add in all the women who are just looking for validation and attention, which is huge, and it becomes a pretty exhaustive process.

From a dating perspective, its much easier after the initial dates but there is serious dysfunctions at play that make it a waste of time. Women over 35 are desperately scanning for fathers and it comes off incredibly dehumanizing to be put into a box they think you fit without it really having much to do with who you are as a person. I think women feel like this in the 20's when they are treated like a hole and wet meat. For guys, its when the women are looking for dad potential we get to experience that objectification. Its fine if they have goals, its just incredibly depersonalizing how its approached under the time pressures.

When it comes to the dating game without goals. We have a lot of issues in our society where women think they are a prize, and men have learned that to speak your truth that you fancy a girl.. its seen as an immediate problem. Women behave as if they got their validation, so why would they bother giving more to the guy. Its super sad that as a society we reward game playing rather than honest and truthful experiences.

Its quite possible that dating has always been super problematic in these ways. Maybe we can just see it more now with so much information. It seems to be the same value/jealousy dynamics we possess as children about toys and attention. For stable, fulfilling relationships. I think as a society we should normalize making many many friendships, and eventually dating your friend who has already shown you years of good friendship, support, communication, shared interests, laughter, good social times and adventure. I find its much more stable and energizing having a relationship with a good friend who i came to find attractive, versus letting my attraction (horniness) lead me and hope they turn out to be a good friend. I think this prioritizes good values in people as attractive, rather than 3-5 good pictures.

I think any of the male posters on this thread who have yet to be with a woman should probably back out of the convo, I’m not sure their perspective adds anything here.

Or to quote one of poet Philip Larkin's less elevated lines: 'I don't want to take a girl out and spend circa pounds 5 when I can toss off in five minutes, free, and have the rest of the evening to myself.'

I have been burned badly in a past relationship that became controlling so I am slow to commit to someone now.

Tis true if you go for the traditional happy family setup with mortgage,kids & both parents working you are pretty much throwing yourselves to the wolves. So much extra expense every month and you are at the mercy of how much society wants to fleece you. It has just become unaffordable for a great deal of people. Whereas a single parent can apply for all sorts of help.

Knew a few lads who went the whole hog with the traditional family setup - new build house, expensive wedding & honeymoon and none of them were on a great wage. They landed themselves into a right uphill battle for the next 20-30 years and would be a disaster altogether if they had to get divorced.

really? and what poem might that be my good sir?

Not a poem, as you probably guessed, an excerpt from a letter to his old mucker Kingsley Amis

Are you ranting against men's' rights here or mysogny? Or are you claiming they're the same thing?

I see a lot of condescending dismissive remarks from you about this that don't actually say anything - can you put forward your position in a respectful and concise tone or are you just venting?