What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Except, from their limited perspective, an international workforce... as an international corporate entity it is a great thing.

The problem which such analysis is that they have no concern over the long-term impact to the host nations society. All that concerns them is the workforce available to them. So, in a limited context, they're not wrong.. but Westerners really need to start looking beyond these rather limited scenarios and consider what else is related.

And we really need a media that's willing to take such articles to task, and explore the downsides of what they claim.

Ahh... I'd say that women, throughout history, have often (not always) preferred to take a back seat, "allowing" others to take control, make the decisions, and bear the harsh consequences. TBH I suspect it's rather nice to be a protected entity in society.. which is something pretty common throughout most traditional cultures. It is what it is, and not something exclusive to Islam, even with the modern day angle.

Some numbers on deportations over the last decade were released by McEntee's office in response to a question

https://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PQ-01-02-2022-596

Since 2012, 634 EU citizens were removed from the State, all of whom had criminal convictions. The yearly breakdown is as follows:

Since 2012, 1,012 non-EU citizens have had deportation orders enforced.

All those removed or deported during this period would have breached the Immigration Act or had more serious criminal convictions. The statistics are not maintained by my Department in a manner that would allow for further breakdown as requested by the Deputy. However, I can confirm that the five people deported in 2021 all had criminal convictions.

Dunno why you're using 1400 years. Just go back 60 years and you'd find that in Ireland alone. Society and culture have both shifted in recent decades, but it's not long ago that society was more traditional, bound by taboos, etc.. and in spite of what feminists want to claim, women contributed to creating the very societies they were bound by. During the time of the suffragettes there were female only protest groups wanting to retain the old cultural norms, same with many women resisting in the 70s when the disapproval by feminists over housewives or "trophy" wife lifestyles was being pushed..

I appreciate what you're saying about Islam, but let's not forget what western society was really like less than 50/60 years ago.

I doubt that they want to roll back women's rights, as it applies to them (most activists/advocates I've met regarding these things tend to be women)… however, they're likely to have convinced themselves that Muslim women are perfectly content within the roles that Islam provides. And many will be. Just as there will be many who won't. Social/cultural/religious conditioning is a factor, after all.

As for Islam, it's not quite as simple as that, as women can be protected and have rights within the family/marriage unit. There's a lot of variance within Islam depending on the local/geographical culture group, and the path to Islam that is being followed. I've known Muslim women who had very free lives, but it was granted to them by their husbands, rather than the rights that are protected within Irish law.

Now you're jumping to extremes in reaction to my post, by introducing extra elements outside of the original discussion.

The things done to women that you mentioned are extremes.. they're not common practices within mainstream Islam, again usually being regional or geographical rather than commonplace throughout the entire religion.

But let's ignore the Mother and baby homes scandals, traditional domestic abuse, and I've heard stories from grandparents of women who "disappeared" because they were unfaithful, or even simply barren. How about forcing women to have 12 children, because our church forbade contraception, and the expectation that women should have children? We spend a lot of energy ignoring just how primitive our own cultures have been until quite recently.

My position on Islam is pretty clear. I don't like it as a religion, and I don't believe it should be allowed to establish itself in western nations. There are heaps of reasons to dislike Islam, but I prefer balanced discussion rather than the ranting and raving that often comes with such topics (no, I'm not saying you are ranting/raving, but it's a part of many such discussions).

There was no claim made that the way things were in Ireland were the same as those places that embrace the extreme end of Islam. In opposition to my previous post, you introduced that claim yourself.

No it wasn't. You might want to scroll back a bit.

Which I don't disagree with.

They'll make up a lot of the numbers themselves, because there are those "automatically" included in the scheme, picked out by Justice themselves. The lucky thousands will be notified later (it was in the original set of press releases). There's a couple of stages involved in the plan..

Oh and say it as it really is. The illegals scheme. This undocumented crap is an attempt to make the whole idea more acceptable and normal.