Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

"We have seen Russian troops dont care about the lives of civilians in Ukraine of any ethnicity. They have targeted civilian refuges deliberately."

Do you have evidence for this because I'm sure the UN could do with some since they currently have none. If you are referring to the residential apartments of Mariupol that were attacked the Asoz Battalion have been reported for War crimes for using residential buildings as human shields and not allowing residents to avail of humanitarian corridors. But much like your statements it cannot be proven until the UN investigate.

"Where did Ukraine sign an agreement that they would not join NATO?"

When the state of Ukraine was formed in 1990 after the collapse of communism, the document that allowed them to move away from observing the laws of the USSR to making their own laws was called the "Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine".

In it the following commitment and declaration was made:

"The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons."

Couldn't be any clearer that it precludes the state from joining any military bloc. Particularly one like NATO. Here is the transcript of the declaration from the Ukrainian government website.

"Russia violated Budapest. Ukraine did not. That is established."

Just because you say something is established doesn't mean it is established. Socrates would be raging with you over that statement. The fact that there was a civil war for 8 years and the largest conflict in Europe in almost a century is happening right now is because this particular issue is completely subjective. I and countless other observers of the conflict believe the orchestrated coup of 2014 violated the constitution and earlier agreements for the neutrality of Ukraine therefore nullifying all agreements including the Declaration of State Sovereignty referenced above. You and most western narrative addicts think Russia have no rights over Ukraine despite the fact that they invented, owned and with this declaration basically gave it away. Its very subjective.

I am no liar my friend.

There’s a difference between ‘admitting’ a contrarian point of view, and accepting it.

I freely admit to your entitlement to hold and voice your point of view.

I’m equally entitled to hold it utterly worthless, and to ignore it or rebut it alike. Likewise any other poster.

For the rest of it…Nobody’s keeping you here, you know.

If it feels too much like an adverse echo chamber for your liking, feel free to jog on 😘

For now, your first couple of post made you worthy of my ignore list. Zero engagement with objective facts and truths put to you, means you’re either a professional contrarian, or just in here for s* and giggles, so not worth the time of day either way.

Ignore list on which you go as of now, so same difference in practice.

A little on-topic while I’m here: I’m told by a very reliable source that Millie Merc, donated by yours truly to the Ukrainian cause a couple months ago, is currently carting supplies in and ferrying refugee families out of Dnipro. If you come across a RHD (was silver, might have been khaki’d) W203 Merc saloon in pics, that’ll likely be her 👍🏻

It cannot be proven until the UN investigate. And Russia won't let the UN in. So nothing will ever be proven. Standard operating procedure for Russian war criminals as we have seen before.

It can't be proven because we won't let anyone in until we have destroyed the evidence and disposed of the witnesses.

Remind us, who shot down a civilian airliner? Russian operatives. Nonsense like this is what Russian propagandists like you were saying back then too.

Spare us the weasel words of a Russian propaganda mouthpiece.

Here is the WHO on Russian attacks on medical facilities:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-60866669

That document is not an international agreement. Ukraine was a colony of the USSR at the time. It has no standing.

Let us come back to your lies about the Budapest agreement.

Where did Ukraine violate the Budapest agreement? Where in the Budapest agreement did Ukraine promise to be neutral? What clause was violated? It is a lie.

The Budapest agreement was signed years before the Ukranian constitition was signed. To suggest what happened in the Maidan revolution to legitimately remove a corrupt Russian stooge as President has any bearing on the Budapest is completely without foundation.

Russia invented Ukraine? I think that says it all about your concept of morality as it applies to international politics. Sure why even bother with this pretence if you think you still 'own' it and can do with it as you please. There is more honesty in that statement than in any of the lies to justify the invasion.

What else can we expect from a Russian propaganda mouthpiece and their standard practice is lies, as you engage in repeatedly. "It is very subjective", yep the weasel words of someone trying to discredit objective truth.

No it isn't. Russia violated the Budapest agreements Ukraine did not.

I think Socrates would have something to say alright about Russia's relentless assault on truth and facts under Putin. You and countless others will believe whatever lies you are told to believe. That is obvious.

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Tip of the iceberg. Relentless threats and violent invective from Putin's cabal towards other nations.

What are you talking about? Be specific

Also, why are you conspiracy theorists so fixated with supporting Putin? He leads a dystopian society, political opposition are poisoned with nerve agent, school-children report their teachers if they voice an opinion against the war, protesting is criminalized, independent journalism is criminalized, they have troll factories which pump out disinfo, they push propaganda on a national scale, the regime is literally everything that conspiracy theorists supposedly rail against, so why do you indirectly support that?

I am so honoured to be on any of your lists, sir - it does me a favour. Because despite of the name of the list - I'll still be there.

Also flattered by how perspicacious you are about pro-writers and your ventriloquism from "horribly reliable sources".

Such a nice company which tends to put you into a list of conspirators or professional bots. Oh, I'm flattered to the core!.. 🤧

That ^^^ was a giggle. But I'm here not for that. At least was not going to till the last 3 lines.

But you are right - if I'm not in your format or I'm embarrassing you, don't stay long. Otherwise, your head will still ache from unusual format of information.

Anyway, nice to meet you. Thanks.

Listening to the BBC's Francis Scarr on RTE Drivetime this evening (the guy who monitors Russian TV for them) and he says things were relatively normal up until 2014. However, he adds the rhetoric very quickly changed after the invasion of Crimea and state TV started describing Ukrainians as "Nazis" and "bandits" and it's been pretty much a non stop hate fest for the last eight years - the public have been indoctrinated into hating on Ukraine and and accepting the genocide stuff.

So the numerous useful idiots in the West are just following the Kremlin narrative and repeating parrot fashion the regime's talking points.

As one (ex) Russian presenter commented, the public over there has been "zombified" by the Kremlin's propaganda.

And no alternative viewpoint is allowed of course. Anyone publicly suggesting that Russia was wrong to invade Crimea or all of Ukraine, or that eight years of genocide 'hasn't' taken place in the Donbass would be in huge trouble.

SO many allies it lost this UN vote by a two thirds majority...

UN General Assembly votes to suspend Russia from the Human Rights Council... Under the 2006 resolution that established the Council, the General Assembly can suspend a country from membership if it commits gross and systematic violations of human rights.

Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea, Iran, Syria, Vietnam, were among those who voted against. 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/04/1115782