Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

Considering your confidence in stating this, the fact it was an 8 year period & it strongly suits the Russian narrative, I've no doubt you have lots and lots of verified by independent third party reports confirming these school bombings.

Or has the dog eaten this as well?

Really? A daily basis. Nope. My point is simple. They are talking about destroying Ukraine as an entity, crushing its national identity and self-determination, and yes, they are engaged in selective killing of local leadership strata and have promised more; exactly the same tactic that the Soviets practised in the Baltic states. They are engaging in the deportations of families and they intend to educate the Ukraine-ness out of they children they have seized. They have said it, they are making no secret of the fact they have said and they repeating these sentiments every week on Russian television.

The Malaysian airlines incident is relevant to establish standard Russian operative procedure when it comes to war crimes and atrocities and to show up your weasel words about 'waiting for the UN to prove it' for the weasel words they are. That was a war crime. They've committed war crimes and atrocities in this current phase, regardless of whether the Ukranian is ethnic Russian or not. So why should we believe in Donbas 2014-2022 they were paragons of virtue or peacekeepers or 'protectors'. They were no such thing. They were agents of the Russian military sent in to start a war without regard for the consequences on civilians living there. They lie. They commit war crimes. They commit atrocities. That is Russia.

Your lies about the Budapest agreement have been found out. Your repeatedly lie and claim Ukraine violated the Budapest agreement. Not any other agreement but Budapest, in its actions in the coup. And yet you are unable to point to the clause Ukraine violated in its actions. Nor to the Budapest agreement referencing previous agreements as being included in its scope. So how could Ukraine have violated it? Dead giveaway you were lying.

Ukraine as a country has signed no agreement obliging it to be neutral. It did sign the Budapest agreement with Russia, obliging it to give up its nuclear weapons in return for Russia respecting its borders and sovereignty. The key word there is sovereignty. Russia recognised Ukraine as a sovereign nation. Such nonsense as a 'state sovereignty declaration' when it was still a constituent part of the USSR is entirely irrelevent and superseded by such a sovereign treaty to which Russia was a party. Nowhere in that agreement is Ukranian membership of any bloc prevented.

And the Budapest agreement Russia has plainly and undeniably and repeatedly violated in Crimea and Donbas.

Stone cold classic.

Just to be clear here, you are labelling me a Nazi sympathiser?

Nazi Germany produced the Tiger Tank, had an impressive industrial capacity and top-rank scientists and technicians, nearly beat the Allies to a jet airplane design and anticipated Western aircraft designs by many years in the Horten flying wing and Triebflugel. Wow! They were great lads, weren't they? Gotta love those Nazis!

Ukraine as a country has signed no agreement either with another sovereign nation or legitimate international authority obliging it to be neutral.

Whatever declarations were made by 'state soviets', they are not an international agreement, and are entirely superseded by those such as Budapest - unless referenced therein, which they were not.

Ukraine has not violated the Budapest agreement. Russia repeatedly has. That is the truth of the matter. Anything else are Russian lies and propaganda.

She supported appeasement of Putin, and we see how that has turned out. If Ukraine had joined NATO starting in 2008, it's very unlikely Russia would have invaded, or annexed Crimea, or proxy invaded the East of the country.

She did, but in fairness she thought integrating Russia into the West would reduce any military threat and make a Cold War impossible.

She backed the wrong horse of course, but Putin becoming more hawkish, belligerent and isolationist over the last 10 years was largely of his own doing and could hardly be said to be her fault. Relations with the West were pretty good up until 2014 but then Putin started to change.

This is not true. Oh, yeah - here it is customary to say: "This is an utter lies!"

Did you ask Ukrainians? They wanted to keep working and live their lives without EU/NATO. Then Ukro-gov explained them during last decade that they should want to join NATO and EU. That was not funny, poor Ukrainians believed in this, while the reality is that nobody among EU govs wanted Ukraine to join. Poor, weak country, no infra - would be sucking all the juices from EU economy like Greece, and even worse. Just like now, during the war.

Corruption of Ukrainian even worse than in Russia, everything is just stolen. People are poor to zero. Now they are paying their utility bills, which takes 40-50% of their salaries.

If Europe or NATO wanted to stop this war, they'd let Ukraine to join quickly, and would threaten Putin with NATO nuclear weapon. What happens instead?

Repeating again: Ukrainians of freed regions are happy that Russian army came and freed them from Ukor-nazis.

Go and ask Ukrainians from LNR and DNR - if they're happy or not. Just look at the queue of people in Luganskaya region, to get their Russian passports:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMkaJePSs2I

The reality is that unfortunately a big part of Ukraine will become Russian territory soon. Just accept it as a reality.

P.S. I don't support this fact. This is painful to see of how it happens. But you must be blind not to see it.

Mother of God, so much anger in a single civilised European man...

Do you have a family, bro? Why are so angry living in successful European country? I bet you can't even perceive my words without thinking that I'm sarcastic. But I'm not.

I'm not a bot, but I'm really enjoying with Irish people - they are kind and welcoming. That's why I'm also surprised if you're a real Irish - I simply didn't see Irish with so much anger.

I have a couple of Irish friends already, which is a big luck I think.

Why I don't want my kids live there, in Russia? Because, firstly, I'm not Russian, so my country of origin is different. :)

Also I did live there for some time and saw the system from the inside. It's not perfect, but it's not that bad how you're painting it from your side. Putin is a super-smart idiot - that's true (yes, and this is the problem when a KGB person is really smart, and then becomes a president!) But he is smart, so they're doing pretty good things, developing businesses. The educational system is disputable (though some people don't think so, and they're glad) - starting from 5th grade it's not an education IMHO, it's just a kid's torture with loads of facts, and old soviet-minded teachers. Higher education is really good. This why the world loves Russian mathematicians and programmers.

But there are also very smart people, really intelligent. I really regret that world doesn't know and gets infected with Russophobia without knowing who normal Russians really are, especially of intellectual professions.

So why am I here? Because I really like Ireland. And I'm really grateful for meeting such beautiful country with such kind and cheerful people. It's not a heaven, there are some disadvantages. Teenagers are allowed to do really nasty things - and they won't be punished. They simply don't respect people. This is not the case in Russian-speaking countries - there is more respect to elderly people from teenagers, especially in such regions like Chechnya, South Osetia etc. Irish educational system is really-really weak in most schools, so we hire tutors here. The taxes are SUPER high. But all in all it's not that bad.

TBH, I'd live normal life in almost any country starting from Ural mountains and western.

It's probably only you, who was born in Ireland and not happy with his own life, growing and cherishing anger against evil Russians.

Explaining only one time. Only for you.

Sorry I was sarcastic, but it simply looks like you're trolling, because you're asking such questions just like you don't understand. Or you're trying to make me angry? If so - it's not possible, man. It would be really funny to get angry at letters on the monitor. I'm not getting angry at anyone here.

First, Russia - is NOT my country. Okay? If I'm saying anything positive about any country, this doesn't mean I'm standing for it. In any nation there are good people and idiots (for simplicity). And that explains everything.

Intelligent people (and those are the smallest group), middle level and, well, the rest. "The rest" - most of them are pensioners and those who are listening to propaganda etc. The middle and intelligent class - who see what happens, and using their own minds. It's hard to make them just believe the government like here in Europe. Here people simply tend to believe whatever they say. Intelligent Russians are a bit different. But those are a small group as I said. And unfortunately most of them don't have any gov-impact.

Well, pretty the same as here, in Ireland and in any other country.

Next. Russian gov is driven by security forces people. Putin is KGB, pro-Stalin guy. That's clear. And the methods the same. Unfortunately people lived in USSR for 70 years, 3 generations of "The rest" (the biggest population) people are used to such kind of government, and simply don't perceive any other kind of it.

BTW, pretty the same picture with Ukrainian people. So their mindset is actually not compatible with yours, and they can't be ruled by western principles. Why? Well, because they still have the same Russain-like-mindset, as they were in USSR for the same 70 years. That's what civilian Euro people simply don't understand (but EU gov does) - one doesn't simply integrate Ukraine into Europe. And, well, they have pretty same tendency to kleptocracy, committing atrocities daily etc... Sneaky west set the slavic nations on each other.

And it'll require pretty much time until these type of people will be replaced with new visioners. But they will come.

Is that clear now?

Okay. Go ahead with your trolling and anger again...

She's someone who needs to justify her own catastrophic failures. How else is she going to do it?