Fall of the Catholic Church

There aren't unlimited resources say to provide for parents who wish for example a Jedi ethos school beside them wherever they decide to be.

Or I want my nearest GAA club to accommodate Soccer.

Sounds like the point your making. Old legacy institution with a monopoly.

But you, and the child have a choice. They have no choice in education. If sport were mandatory, they you can bet that the local GAA would not be given sole access to the playing fields

Unless of course it was owned by the GAA ... oops ... isnt that the case with church run schools?

You remind me of a caller to a radio station who bemoaned the catholic church for not having weddings on sunday in a particular church. After a few minutes of ranting, he claimed that the churches will be much busier with weddings after divorce would be brought in. 🤭

Isn't the point of the thread? Allowing an old lagacy instutuion to maintain a monoply and exercise their will via discrimination, despite it's declining influential power?

Not sure about the GAA - do you have to be a catholic to join a GAA club...? I'd be very suprised if if so, but then, yes: the GAA.

Beyond that you haven't actually challenged my point (I haven't read the second paragrpah beyond "you remind me of...." because snetences that begin like that tend to be little more than personal attacks - either I am or I am not and it's not relevant)

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Also, you still haven't addressed the point I made yesterday: what is the problem with a school catering for religious and non-religious students at the same time, with the State teaching the non-religious and the church teaching the religious kids in the same building at the same time?

Resources.

Also people want to be both included and excluded at the same time, be separated and not separated at the same time.

Exactly, but of course one can't draw attention to the growing sacred elephant sitting in the corner.

That would be modern day heresy.

I was born and bred catholic, normal rural Ireland one must give deference to the local priests.

I gave up believing the mullarkey even before I finished National school.

Too many holes in the arguments and even then was probably a sceptical cynical old fecker I suppose.

But I can see some good in religion, it often gives someone hope and something to believe in even when the worst of life hits them.

What is the old saying "there are no atheists in a foxhole".

Of course I can also see the harm in religion and for that matter in any group think that forces conformity, unquestioning loyalty and does not allow for open discussion.

Not alone did we have unquestioning loyalty to the catholic church, but we had a very dangerous mindset where we were not meant to question our betters.

In Ireland and indeed in a lot of other countries, some people and institutions were above reproach and as can be plainly seen this allowed the worst possible people to getaway with some of the worst possible crimes against the most vulnerable in society.

We have abandoned the catholic church, but have leaped headlong into following some other group thinks.

Why dispose of one overriding unquestioned faith to install others.

It is like an addict giving up heroin to go on crack.

For instance nowadays one faces censure and ostracisation for adopting questioning positions on say the trans agenda or on gender statements much like one faced censure and ostracisation for making the wrong statements on the catholic church in 1950s Ireland.

And it isn't just Ireland this is happening.

I have said this many times, kicking our old christian institutions and in particular the catholic church has become a sign of how modern or hip one is these days and the biggest mental gymnastics I see is the very same liberally minded are the excusors and welcomers of adherents to probably the biggest most backwards religion currently on the planet.

Yes you are, you will hide under such mantras as "they are not all the same", "they have done nothing bad here", "they are just normal people going about their lives", "all religions are just as bad", etc, etc.

You fail to acknowledge the overriding control, the absolutism, the completely backwards outlook and control following ancient creeds, the inbuilt unquestioned discrimination.

I just don't get it.

You can see a splinter in the eye of an old Irish catholic, but not the 2x4 in the eye of a guy listening to someone preaching hatred in Clonskeagh.

Of course, nobody is denying that. But is that right? Is it right that the education system carries out discrimination on religious grounds?

Would you accept it if it affected you? The local school should facilitate the education of pupils. Teaching them in one type of religion is not doing that. What would accept if the school became a SF/FG/FF party run school and held classes in how great the leader was? And if you didn't agree you were forced to go to a different school?

No, nobody would accept that. But somehow we accept that excluding kids, forcing others to go to different schools etc is perfectly reasonable because of religion

Well if it wasn;t abotu religion (as is the subject of the thread) can yes, I have misunderstood the analogy and can you please explain the anaology to me, or is it one that doesn't make sense and you won't admit it?

Why doesnt he play the sport that caters for his needs with the club?

I or my kids have never gone to the nearest school. or the school assigned by "catchment".

I choose to do something about my choices.

There really aren't the resources to cater for every different thing people want. That's just ridiculous.

Separating State and Religion is a different issue.

Because separating religion and state isn't going to happen overnight. No matter how desirable that is. So you are left to deal with what resources you have not what you haven't.

If the local school is crap. I'm not going to wait 20yrs for it to become better school, and put music on the syllabus. I'm going to go somewhere else that does what I want now.

I'm not justifying religion in schools.

I'm lambasting Parents who don't plan 4-5yrs ahead for school if they have strong opinions on it.