BMW i4

As Richard Symons says in that recent video, BMW tend to understate their 0-100 times and Tesla overstate it so on the road they're pretty well matched. He also says at motorways speeds (i.e. above 100) the i4 is quicker. But like you said, at these numbers none of it really matters. If you ask me the fact that the i4 is so close to the Tesla is impressive given the extra half tonne it has on board!

Don't trust the Tesla official acceleration figures as they are done with a rolling start. It makes the cars looks faster on paper than they actually are. I don't know why the hell they do this, it makes direct comparisons difficult. From owning many of them, I always reckoned both BMW and Porsche usually understate the real figures. If you want to compare them, do a test yourself like Fitz II or have a look at zeroto60times.com

Its all a bit academic....a blink take about a 1/3 of a second so the difference between 4.1 and 3.8 is literally a blink of a eye....I always though any car under 5 seconds to 100kph was more than fast enough and the way the power is delivered, traction and handling becomes more important. Lads on fast motorbikes hold up EV off the lights these days....and in a way now that straight line performance has been democratized it matters less than ever.

“Don't trust the Tesla official acceleration figures as they are done with a rolling start. It makes the cars looks faster on paper than they actually are. I don't know why the hell they do this, it makes direct comparisons difficult.”

they do it because Elon Musk is a well-proven compulsive lying charlatan 😂.

tell the followers anything they want to hear, off the cuff - and then challenge your engineers to deliver something kinda like what you said, years and years later - and don’t forget to give it a cool name 😏. Sorted ✅

He’s a genius, no doubt, but he’s a compulsive liar - it’s just part of his makeup.

imagine the promises made to the world over the years - all long since disproven or delayed to the point of no-one even talking about them any more

cyber truck, humanoid robot, semi truck, roadster, actual FSD, $35k M3 in 2017 (no longer possible, in fairness), NY-Washington hyperlink, brain implants by 2019 (nuralink - this is an amazing company, for sure), 1m robotaxi’s by 2020

That’s just the crap I can think of off the top of my head.

don’t feel you need to defend him so vehemently, I really like Tesla, and would buy one, but couldn’t care less about Musk

his SpaceX stuff he can’t fluff, due to the nature of the deliverables, and look at how amazing that company is.

I just imagine a world where Musk’s outrageous claims aren’t swallowed by everyone in that moment.

Edit: apologies everyone for dragging this into another Musk debate.

the reality is that Tesla obfuscate their 0-60 times by doing a 1-foot rollout, and only timing to 60mph, not 100kmph. In the real world the M3P is indistinguishable from the m50

Apparently Tesla only use the 1 foot roll out on their performance versions. They do have different times for 60mph and 100kmh.

And the dual motor awd cars nearly as fast as the performance versions..😉

And it's pretty hard to get the rated time for any RWD performance car as you need perfect circumstances for launch. AWD cars get much closer most of the time.

I’ve quite enjoyed the Taycan/Tesla/i4 mish mash this thread has become :)

Learned today my M50 expected delivery date is pushed back another 6 weeks again now, to mid August 🤬

Have you got a VIN yet? What status code are you at? I've been enquiring on the bmw.co.uk chat and giving them my order number and they are able to check for me. I was supposed to be May 23rd build date, it's now beginning of next week, let's see what happens!!

No Vin yet, yeah I’ve been using the UK customer support too and it was due to begin production this week, but that changed this week to the last week of July, so about 7 weeks further delay for now. Car was originally due March, then May, then July, now mid August … 🙄

Considered getting something on the grill (given my initial experience) and maybe lights ( given my unfortunate experience) but I wonder would it impact the lights or sensors?

Might be a stupid question...

This is a interesting one on cars like this and one I have mulled over a lot. I am big into detailing and cleaning cars so take that as read.

A PPF job will cost 2-4k so about 3% of the car value lets say. The idea is that it protects the paint from stone chips and damage from washing etc.

I have seen a lot of cars with PPF and unless the PPF is tucked under the panels there is always a join line at the panel gaps. Over time this junction gets dirty and yellow and will not wash off. Looks nasty. Also if you get a chip, you either have to look at the ship in the PPF (which is not different from looking at a chip in the paint) or redo the PPF which costs about as much as painting the panel. So in the first owners eyes no different from not having the PPF. Its not a force field and a big rock will chip through to the paint. Also PPF has a different finish from paint, not really wet looking.

Come sale time you can remove the PPF and reveal the pristine paint for the next owner. However you can pull the clearcoat removing the PPF. I saw this very recently on a Audi where the thin paint at the edges was all chipped from removing the PPF.

So in the end you are spending a lot of money and giving the car up for a week to protect the car for somebody else. Painting a panel is about 300 -600 euro and with computer matching its not hard get a good match. A lot of painting can be done for the costs of the PPF. Its similar to riding your wife with a jonny on to keep her fresh for the next fellow.

On cars like this I dont see the point. Sure on a car that has special paint like a ferrari or other exotic, or a classic car with single stage paint I get it. But mostly I think its a scam designed to get enthusiastic people with new cars to spend money for minimal gain. It can look fairly nasty, it can damage the car, it offers minimal protection, and the solution of repainting a panel its avoiding is actually easy and cheap to dol

Just my 2c on it, once said this to a chap who turned out to be the owner of a PPF business with hilarious consequences and much egg on my face but thats how I think of it. Drive the car....get the chips, let the next owner worry about them, its not a new car they are buying.

Missed the bit where the taycan looks 1000 times better which at the end of the day is what you are paying for, the taycan has much better thermal control, and the performance doesnt fall off a cliff at lower states of charge (which the model 3 does in spades). Another review with a rosey tint on the model 3.