What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Tonesjones · 08-06-2022 9:20pm

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/uk-asylum-seeker-says-his-friends-are-fleeing-to-ireland-to-avoid-being-sent-to-rwanda-under-new-plans-41647650.html

Afghan nationals are fleeing the UK for Ireland. The UK plan to deter unwanted immigration of all types is working while Ireland declares asylum for all.

What are we doing.

Fandymo · 08-06-2022 9:35pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61729392.amp

So multicultural.

One eyed Jack · 09-06-2022 12:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119176765#Comment_119176765

Where was the ‘violent mob’?

You’re nearly always fastest out of the starting blocks when there’s an opportunity to piss and moan about ‘woke’ shyte, ‘cancel culture’, ‘snowflakes’ and all the rest of it, yet when the ‘violent mob’ you speak of is protesting against ‘woke’ shyte, here you are again being critical of them too and calling their peaceful protest a violent mob -

Leaders of the protests have said while they want the film banned, their demonstrations were peaceful, but cinemas clearly felt their behaviour was intimidating enough to warrant screenings to be pulled.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61729392.amp

Cineworld weren’t cancelled, they chose to cancel showings of the film themselves! 🙄

If given the choice between whiny snowflakes and fundamentalist fcukwists, I’ll take the people who put the ‘fun’ in fundamentalist any day over people who appear to spend their days finding things to whinge and moan about! 😒

09-06-2022 12:46am

A violent mob protesting at another cinema

09-06-2022 1:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119176271#Comment_119176271

Ahh well, in my experience, those pushing multiculturalism tend to be far more intolerant that those opposed to it. But that's been the way with most of these causes, whether it's being woke (in the modern sense), or being an activist for minority groups. Demand tolerance for their preferred group, and being terribly intolerant of anything that opposes their viewpoint. We've seen it time and time again even on this thread, with the manner in which the pro-multiculturalism crowd insults other posters.

09-06-2022 6:46am

A great way to start the day with this news out of govt

RTE news : Cabinet to discuss new laws to ease immigration process

http://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2022/0609/1303741-cabinet/

Cordell · 09-06-2022 7:38am

Silly me I thought they would be more concerned about the soaring oil prices which will result in price increases on everything. Oh, wait, they already did something about it, they warned us there's no money tree after all. Well, not for us anyway.

https://www.thejournal.ie/fuel-prices-heather-humphreys-5785592-Jun2022/

enricoh · 09-06-2022 8:24am

A 42% rise in direct provision numbers in the last year. Can we get the IMF back in pronto before clowns like mcentee and o gorman get us further in the mire. No one could have foreseen an amnesty would encourage others Helen, literally no one.

The minister above saying their is no magic money tree to help motorists has some neck, we've a blank cheque to help anyone that isn't Irish.

Sad to say our politicians are not on our side nowadays.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2022/06/08/more-than-11600-people-in-direct-provision-as-numbers-rise-to-record-levels/

Cordell · 09-06-2022 9:53am

It's not even about the motorists, everyone is affected by increases in fuel prices, everything gets more expensive because everything needs energy and transport, heating your home gets more expensive, getting to work gets more expensive, all that. What do they do, they shrug us and tell us to work from home. And they proceed to worry not about people that pay their salaries.

09-06-2022 10:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119177713#Comment_119177713

Was the same when Passion of the christ was released, same with Dogma, same with Life of Brian,which was also banned for a long time in Ireland.

Religion in cinema will always bring out protesters, nothing new there.

Cordell · 09-06-2022 10:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119177736#Comment_119177736

That's a very roundabout way of saying they are decades behind us, but I'll take it, thank you very much.

Fandymo · 09-06-2022 10:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119177736#Comment_119177736

More culturally appropriate, was the same when Salman Rushdie wrote a book, when Charlie Hebdo published a cartoon, or when a teacher in Batley showed a picture of Mohammed during religion class (he’s still in hiding due to threats to him and his young family).

09-06-2022 11:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119177836#Comment_119177836

Indeed religion can make anyone do stupid things, magdalene laundries, forced adoptions, banning of contraception etc

As the world becomes more secular things can only get better. Ireland is a better place now than it was just 10 years ago and better still than 20,30 years ago

Cordell · 09-06-2022 11:28am

So what now, should we happily allow them 20-30 years to learn our new ways? Should we always excuse their behavior by comparing them to us of 30 years ago? Do this in perpetuity? Do you know how this is called? Bigotry of low expectations. So no, what happened decades ago is not an excuse to allow it to happen again. What we don't find it acceptable in our behavior should not be acceptable in theirs.

Dyr · 09-06-2022 11:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119177736#Comment_119177736

Anyone get stabbed or beheaded back then?

I went to see the Passion of thr Christ, 15 PG, not pulled from cinemas due to hordes of angry religious beardies outside.

Wibbs · 09-06-2022 12:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119178199#Comment_119178199

It's just more of the usual wishy washy cultural equivalence going on. It's another article of faith with the faithful. That and insecurity about one's own culture and a near obsessive hard on for cultures that aren't one's own and the more unlike the better. Note earlier the question around "what value has Irish culture got" stuff, while the question what do other cultures have that would "improve" ours remains unanswered.

And the bigotry of low expectations is always in play and along "race" lines too, just like the exoticism fetish. In damn near a mirror of actual racists. Like I noted earlier the vast majority of inward migration to Ireland over the last 20 plus years has been of White Europeans, but who do the multicultists and racists focus on almost exclusively? When "mixed" marriages come up as they recently have it's pretty much always Black and White(and nearly always Black man and White woman). You don't see too many Asians and Europeans being so "celebrated", never mind marriages between French/German/Spanish/etc and Irish, of which there are considerably more.

The recent influx of pale faced Ukrainian immigrants must be fierce confusing for both sides...

Wibbs · 09-06-2022 12:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119178177#Comment_119178177

And yet you want to import apparently as many people as possible whose cultures have become less secular over the last half century and this is quite evident within migrant populations within Europe over the same time? Well of course you do.

Arthur Daley · 09-06-2022 12:46pm

The Irish should appreciate that in Britain, which had a massive empire after all, the population that is Black is 3%. Muslims make up 4%. Jewish people 0.5%.

"While most Britons are white and heterosexual, the poll found many believe the UK is made up of far more racial, religious and sexual minorities than it actually is. When the survey asked what proportion of adults was white, the median answer was 65 per cent – yet the true figure is 87 per cent.

And while official figures show that black Britons make up about three per cent of the population, those questioned estimated the proportion at 20 per cent. Britons believed about 15 per cent of the population is Muslim, against the true figure of about four per cent, and they estimated the Jewish community stood at 10 per cent when it is one-twentieth that size."

Now the advertising doesn't reflect that, and that is weird to say the least, but at least people can talk about these things, and not be silenced.

Results of the survey, commissioned by the Common Sense Campaign, have been used to gauge the accuracy of minority representation in the media. Those surveyed were asked 16 questions to work out the overall perception of the make-up of the UK.

Tory MP Sir John Hayes said: ‘This distorted impression created by much of the broadcast and online media is so out of tune with the facts as to befuddle people about the true character of Britain. There are, of course, all sorts of minority groups that deserve our respect and regard.

‘The overwhelming majority of British people are drawn from a small number of groups. Media preoccupations with minorities are skewing the facts.’

British public overestimates minority groups like trans, gay people and vegans, YouGov poll shows | Daily Mail Online

Cordell · 09-06-2022 12:47pm

@Wibbs The recent influx of pale faced Ukrainian immigrants must be fierce confusing for both sides...

It is indeed. So much so that they are thorn between happily cheering for the government when they opened the gates as wide as they go and accusing the government that they are racist for doing so only for these white Europeans.

dorothylives · 09-06-2022 1:29pm

I see Lucky on RTE news today complaining about DP again, lost appeal after appeal after appeal to stay here, yet here he still is, and a co-founder of an asylum group too. Only in Ireland. Since the announcement of own front door accommodation by O'Gorman last year we've over 11,000 asylum seekers already this year, an all time high since the peak of the anchor babies in the '90's. Who knew it would be a pull factor. I'd really love to see DP emptied of all those who have lost asylum appeals, we simply can't afford them. There's a winter of discontent on the way with interest rate rises, scary rises in the cost of food and fuel, near non existent property to rent and yet the government tells us there's no money to help while finding magic money trees to look after everyone but our own.

I'm worried that there will be a massive public backlash against asylum seekers as well as those who are angry at a two tier system for refugees and asylum seekers. The country is full, time to close the door. Anyone who wants to bring more in can house and provide for them out of their own pockets. No taxpayer support. When the bath is overflowing you turn the taps off and mop up, you don't leave the taps running and get more buckets.

09-06-2022 1:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119178597#Comment_119178597

Well yeah, clearly. I love asking people randomly what percentage of Britain is Black, they tend not to believe me before a cursory Google. FFS it's everywhere and just so silly. FIFA I particularly like, looks like 5 avatars and the only whitey is a lady. Don't see much in the way of East or Southeast representation among them either. But then they don't really count until needed.

jmreire · 09-06-2022 2:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170354#Comment_119170354

Yes klas, gone are the days when men went down the left hand aisle in the church, and women went on the right hand side, and they wore scarves' to cover their heads. It was also in the era where for certain jobs, women had to leave that job on marriage. You can still see samples of it the reeling in the years TV program. The whole point though is that they were able to change, and this they did, massively. And this changing is ongoing and continuous, in this part of the world anyway, there will not be any going back.

jmreire · 09-06-2022 2:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170423#Comment_119170423

I don't know where you are getting the idea that women's rights would ever be rolled back in this part of the world, let alone in EU country's, but with any women I know, Good Luck with that. Do you have any examples?

jmayo · 09-06-2022 2:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119177304#Comment_119177304

Oy maybe they should be more worried there that there has, according to daft, been a 95% decrease in the availability of rental properties in Ireland over the last 10 years?

Strumms · 09-06-2022 2:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119172263#Comment_119172263

This is a good point.

its like referring to someone who steals a clock radio from a shop… ‘ a non payer ‘

this group people are not undocumented… they are ‘illegal’ immigrants .. criminals should not be rewarded ever for their crimes.

Cordell · 09-06-2022 2:37pm

* non paying customer

Who is entitled to full benefits including return and refund and warranty.

09-06-2022 3:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119179031#Comment_119179031

Yup.... but the point was that it wasn't 1600 years ago, but some relatively recent changes. I'm not defending Islam.. remember what I posted originally?

Ahh... I'd say that women, throughout history, have often (not always) preferred to take a back seat, "allowing" others to take control, make the decisions, and bear the harsh consequences. TBH I suspect it's rather nice to be a protected entity in society.. which is something pretty common throughout most traditional cultures. It is what it is, and not something exclusive to Islam, even with the modern day angle.

It was in response to a post about masculinity and the place of women in society..

Mr.KarateII · 09-06-2022 3:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119178177#Comment_119178177

I doubt that. Many Left leaning Atheists have turned their political ideologies into a religion. If not full on cult. Climate Change/Global warming, LGBT, Hell so many still believe in Socialism/Communism despite its track record of failure,etc have morphed into pseudo religions. And God help you if don't walk in lockstep with them.

Fandymo · 10-06-2022 9:01am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119179789#Comment_119179789

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