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Cult of Stephen Kenny

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I'm not in the sack Kenny corner either. You have to let him finish this tournament anyways but I wouldn't have extended his contract.

    Kenny has had 24 games now.

    And one thing people seem to forget is, Kenny was announced as U-21 manager in 2018 with him taking over in 2020. So he's really had 4 years to work towards something. Alot of these players are under the stewardship of Kenny for 4 years now and he still isn't getting a tune out of them. Adam Idah, Troy Parrott, Jason Knight, Molumby, O'Shea, Collins, Obafemi, Bazunu.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Kenny needs to do another interview like this, only change "I'm used to winnin" to "I'm used to losin".

    He said last year he was going to build a very good squad in the next couple of years so time is running out for him to deliver.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,035 ✭✭✭✭dvcireland


    posted comment in wrong thread

    "...no Joe, you rang me !..." A.Caller.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We would be knocking on the door for world cup qualification if we had those two.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That is a brilliant suggestion. Kenny could be the link between the grassroots and the national time. Try and install the right footballing culture at youth level, guide the careers of our prospects overseas. Try and help them to come through at senior level. I wonder if the FAI really do much to help someone struggling who has been released by a club or what not. Thinking of the way the rugby provinces groom their young players and give them every chance of succeeding at senior level.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,766 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    The nonsense of building for the future is just that nonsense,

    Maybe with Nations like England,France ,Germany can treat it like club football but International football for lower nations is about results right now, we have no control of our players as they all go to play in different countries, So you must make the most of what you have right here & now to get results,

    Who cares about style of play ,you have to be pragmatic and use players in the best possible way to get results

    Look at 2 years ago there was great hope for Parrot, Idah, Connolly ,Obafemi but all have taking backwards steps in development ,As Ireland manger its useless planning long term , play the best side in the here and now & with the style that give s you the biggest chance of a result ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,242 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    "As Ireland manger its useless planning long term , play the best side in the here and now & with the style that give s you the biggest chance of a result ",

    Thats the question, what is our best style?, lumping it up to the big man while keeping as many men back as possible and hope for set pieces?

    Or trying to play football like most modern teams do?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,419 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Mix it up a little.

    But one thing you gotta do is take take maximum points against Armenia, Luxembourg and Azerbaijan. That has to be done.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Such is the exclusive nature of thee “Nations league” I’m actually choosing to watch the glamour tie of the night, surprisingly, which doesn’t leave much room for the minnows.

    Nor Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,274 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    Kenny has had the worst crop of players, Trap, 0' Neil, McCarthy never had to pick league 1 players.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,419 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    What league one players start for us? this was the team last night

    Kelleher PL

    Duffy PL

    Egan Champ

    Collins PL

    Hendrick PL / Champ this season

    Knight Champ

    Cullen Belgian PL

    Stevens Champ

    Christie Champ

    Robinson Champ

    Ogbene L1 - He didnt have to start him. Could easily have gone with Obafemi

    Other players that are available to him when not injured and not playing in League 1

    Coleman PL

    Doherty PL

    Travers Champ

    Manning Champ

    Obafemi Champ

    Connolly Champ / PL

    McGuinness Champ

    Bagan Champ

    Dunne Champ

    Ebolese Champ

    Lenihan Champ

    Hogan Champ

    Hourihane Champ

    Idah PL/Champ

    Browne Champ

    Molumby Champ

    o'Shea Champ

    Omabamdiele Champ

    Mcnamara Champ


    I'm probably missing more but the League One comment is way off. The Championship isn't that bad a standard to be honest. Probably in the top5/6 leagues in Europe in terms of quality actually. He should be getting 6 points from Luxembourg, Armenia and Azerbaijan with what's available to him.



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    This genius level of thinking is the reason why we are here today.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Why am I reading Chump.

    Chimp / chomp .. mmm, chomp here’s the thing though Kelleher was the biggest chump of the night for not showing himself capable of claiming a lofty hangball into his area. Nobody could; Ukraine only get a pass because they benefitted



  • Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭US3


    I still can't get over the fact that the entire Ukrainian defence last night had 1 cap (one) and it was our centre back Duffy that was our most dangerous player.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Duffy’s always our most dangerous player; literally you wanna protect your health steer clear he’ll make a balls of it himself. Chap doesn’t even need leverage either it’s a joke



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,766 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    What wrong with the thinking ,

    The senor team have zero control over players form one end of the year to another & other larger nations know they will have players capable of playing which ever style they wish,

    We don't have that luxury we have to throw a starting 11 together of lads from so many different levels of the game,

    We have to be pragmatic to have any kind of success ,

    We are not a club side ,we need to stop approaching it like we are



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,274 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    well he did start Ogbene. And the other managers never even had a league 1 player in their squads, we have a few now. The other managers would laugh if you asked them about playing league 1 players.



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    Not planning for the future is straight up brain dead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    At the end of the day, if Ireland had kept McCarthy on for the play offs, I think they would have qualified for the euros that time.

    But Covid came and the rest is history and unfortunately Ireland had decided to go from having a professional manager to an amateur one and as they say you reap what you sew!

    Manager is more important than the players - remember when big Jack came, we had a lot of superb players but they had been poorly managed previously, he changed all that.

    Unfortunately current Irish manager is not up to the job but luckily for him, results don't seem to matter any more!

    The biggest mystery to me is how the crowds are so big at the Aviva for the total rubbish on offer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭votecounts


    How that fcuker Kenny is still in the job is a mystery, why he got any sort of an extension was a joke. Any other Inrenational manager would be gone. Have a bit of pride Stephen, resign and take your backroom staff with you.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,384 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Most of the time success in International football is about a reasonably decent side with one or two marquee players who will make the difference in games that are decided by an odd goal...

    Wales and Denmark have that. It's nothing to imitate. Sometimes it's just luck.

    We don't have anything even close to a player that will make a difference. All much of a muchness.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,825 ✭✭✭✭briany


    We can illustrate this point by contrasting Mick V1 and Mick V2. Mick V1 had the team playing a fairly passing game and getting pretty good results. Took the team to a WC where they played some excellent football and had by some way their best return on goals in any of the three WCs they played. Contrast that to a much more experienced Mick getting another quick go and the team gets to a playoff, coming in 3rd mind you and via some weird backdoor where you add the group results to the Nations League ones, carry the 1, plot the numbers on a graph and align them to the North Star and then recite the revealed incantation from Revelations.

    What changed in that time? Well, Mick got older, for one. I can't say that a little bit of senility isn't creeping in, but a much more obvious and respectful guess would be that where Ireland once had Roy Keane, we now have Jeff Hendrick. Where Ireland once had Ian Harte, we now have Josh Egan. You can go up and down the line with it. The only place where the quality has arguably not slipped way down over the years is in the position of keeper, but a keeper can only do so much.

    Consequently, the team has no cutting edge, and without a cutting edge, the confidence goes down and so does the morale. Results tank.

    Ireland will probably get in a more defensive manager who will seek to 'right the ship'. This will probably improve results to an extent, but not to such an extent that it doesn't end in failure. Like with Trap and MoN, the call will once again go up to up to get in a manager with fresh ideas to get Ireland away from the caution and the hoofball, only for that to go nowhere, and people then want another stabiliser. You can call this the Staunton-Trap cycle because that encapsulates what I'm talking about. This cycle will not end until players of real quality come through. It's really that simple.



  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭DJB030244


    I always felt that , was the worst thing to do to change managers at that time . I was at the Denmark game , Micks last before that, where we were very unlucky not to win,. And it wasn’t hoofball either .

    Always felt he should have finished what he started . Another JD brainwave of naming two managers . Imagine going to the play off as a team and a new manager suddenly telling them we have a new way of playing .David Golderick knew the score and was gone very shortly after..



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭tonycascarino


    Those who want Stephen Kenny in charge are LOI diehards who view him as a reflection of the league. They convince themselves that Ireland are playing great football and constantly move the goalposts re what Kenny is required to do as Irish manager. They want him to remain at all costs even if we lose to San Marino and Andorra and attack anyone who questions Stephen Kenny's management. In reality, Kenny is way out of his depth as Irish manager and has been from the start. Any other manager with his record in International management would have been sacked a long time ago. He makes Steve Staunton look like a genius of a manager. The sooner the FAI end this farce the better. 



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,415 ✭✭✭✭Strumms



    Who was the last manager to take the reigns who had not managed professionally and how did he do ?

    Eoin Hand

    managed Ireland for 5 years and did fûck all with the team… qualified for nothing, won 11 out of 40 matches, lost 20, drew 9..



  • Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭Fred Astaire


    He has a break clause in his contract after the nations league in September. He will be moved on then because it'll cost them virtually nothing to do so. Jonathan Hill was well aware that Kenny was a total bluffer but gave him the rope to hang himself (a new contract with the break clause included) rather than make enemies of the majority of our clueless fanbase by sacking him after the World Cup qualifiers.

    In the meantime he can relegate us from League B and ensure we are 4th seeds in the Euros qualifier, making the new managers task even harder.



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    #KennyIn



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    I think Ukraine will batter us next week. In Poland with a full home support pretty much, they'll probably play the first team, it's gonna be the end of this pitful Kenny era. 4-0 Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,132 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    What about Johnny Giles? He managed professionally (WBA) at the highest level in England. What did he achieve as Ireland manager? F--- all, despite having the likes of Brady, Stapleton, O'Leary, Givens and Heighway at the peak of their powers. Hand's record with Ireland is far superior to Giles'. We were a kick of a ball away from qualifying for the World Cup in 1982. I feel some sympathy for Kenny because the players are simply not good enough to implement the style of play he desires but he needs to adapt his tactics by somehow making us more difficult to beat rather than us attempting to outplay the opposition.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    I think Knight is the new Andy Reid/Holohan btw, a decent player who does some half decent things who ends up being completely overrated by everybody until it becomes clear that they're just okay.



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