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    #5072
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Martyn Turner has brilliant cartoon in todays Irish Times - well worth a look.



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    #5073
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,575 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I thought Labour's Siobhain McDonagh did a great job on Rishi Sunak the other day in a Treasury Committee meeting. To slap him into place with a quote from Thatcher was brilliant...


    https://twitter.com/Bounce_BackLoan/status/1533801055418474496




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    #5074
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,332 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119167600#Comment_119167600

    If I were one of the rebel organisers I'd have waited until then

    There weren't any overarching 'rebel organisers' though. Just individual MPs with various different beefs against Boris sending in their letters in dribs and drabs. Likely many of those with a serious alternative agenda did actually hold off in the hope of pushing off the vote till a more propitious time but that 15% threshold is a pretty low bar, kind of a recipe for permanent instability within the party...



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    #5075
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119178164#Comment_119178164

    ' ... but that 15% threshold is a pretty low bar, kind of a recipe for permanent instability within the party...'

    It is not the 15% threshold that causes instability but a PM who does not command respect and loyalty from his MPs.

    If Johnson was not such a charlatan, liar, and cheat, then perhaps he would not have had the ignominy of have sufficient MPs in his party of asking the 1922 committee to hold a vote of (no) confidence in him. It is like blaming the weather for ones lack of a raincoat when it is actually raining, and not ones lack of foresight to bring one along.

    The vote of NC is just one way of ridding the Gov of an unpopular PM, and even with a massive majority of 80 seats, they does not help much when 140 MPs think you are unfit to be PM.



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    #5076
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,514 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119179808#Comment_119179808

    Johnson's sordid past of deceit, betrayal and conspiracy to commit assault is nothing to do with the VONC. It's the decline of his ability to win elections and solely that that's caused MP's to assert themselves.

    They were happy to indulge the corruption, the lies and the Abba parties while hundreds of thousands of Britons died of Covid. Now that some of their seats are in peril, they're pretending to care about morality. It's disgusting but that's where the Conservative party is now.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #5077
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119179830#Comment_119179830

    Johnson's sordid past of deceit, betrayal and conspiracy to commit assault is nothing to do with the VONC.

    But it is not his past behaviour of deceit, betrayal, and corruption but his current behaviour of deceit, betrayal, and corruption that is at issue.

    Now, there may be some that are in fear of losing their seats, and others that see an opportunity in his discomfiture, but there may be, just may be, one or two who consider the right vs wrong of the matter.

    [In other parties, those who consider right vs wrong may be in the majority.]



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    #5078
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,514 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119179859#Comment_119179859

    No. It's the fear that the party might lose the next election. That's the issue.

    Led By Donkeys produced this magisterial and succinct video detailing his series of affairs, disastrous stints in office, racist homophobic offences and conspiring to have a journalist assaulted:

    https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1534059039994298368?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    They knew what he was when they voted for him. The deal was that he'd win them their seats in exchange for... parties and handouts I suppose.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #5079
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    You are right - Johnson is not fit to be an MP, let alone PM.



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    #5080
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,406 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119179880#Comment_119179880

    Watching that it's like what would have happened if Alex from A Clockwork Orange was wealthy enough to buy his way out of trouble



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    #5081
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 25,729 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119180675#Comment_119180675

    Buy his way out of trouble is exactly what he done in the Bullingdon club. Men who know their parents are rich enough to know they can pay off the victims.



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    #5082
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Interesting thread. Basically, HMG produced 900 billion pounds for banks to make money off of, with several ways to get paid back, but as long as the Government isn't repaid, the banks can merrily earn interest on this vast amount. 2008 recession started the process, more money after Brexit contracted the economy, and a huge bump due to Covid.

    Great times to be a banker in the UK.


    https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1535161961067036672




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    #5083
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,514 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So, The Economist has been warning over the years of Britain's low productivity and abysmal growth in this regard compared to France, Germany and the United States. It says it is going to produce a series of articles detailing how they think the British economy could be fixed.

    The first is here if anyone is interested:

    https://www.economist.com/britain/2022/06/09/britains-productivity-problem-is-long-standing-and-getting-worse

    The summarised version is that Britain's low productivity is down to several factors, namely an ageing population, deep economic inequality between the regions, a very small manufacturing sector unable to capitalise on the gains offered by world beating universities, poor infrastructure, the housing crisis a financal crash, covid and of course, Brexit.

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    Successive Tory and Labour governments have adopted a market knows best neoliberal approached tinged with social justice. The result is that British state was effectively denuded and this is the result. Johnson sadly seems to be much more interested in stoking culture war and Brexit silliness than actually governing or even planning a possible solution to this.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #5084
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119182777#Comment_119182777

    Non-paywalled here: https://archive.ph/DbdDb



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    #5085
    amacca
    Registered Users Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭amacca


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119182777#Comment_119182777

    How come the % increase in the output per hour worked has dropped for all countries in that bar chart the 2009 - 2019 time period vs 97 - 07 period?


    Have all moved away from production somewhat and it's gone to the likes of China etc?



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    #5086
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    @amacca, slowing productivity growth rates are a common problem.

    Many countries have experienced a slowdown in the growth rates of labour productivity.


    The red line in the top chart shows the level of labour productivity in the UK relative to other countries.

    The second chart shows the growth rates.



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    #5087
    amacca
    Registered Users Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭amacca


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119193771#Comment_119193771

    thank you, I could see from the first chart the UK was faring worse...i guess my question was why is it a common problem across the countries that data is given for in the second chart, they are all doing worse (by varying degrees) than the data from previous 10 yr period ....unless I'm still misinterpreting something?


    eg: is it factors like aging population slowing the productivity growth rates for those countries too or loss of manufacturing etc......what are the main causes of the overall decline.



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    #5088
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The causes of the productivity slowdown are debated.

    One suggestion is a slowdown in innovation.

    Ageing might be an issue.


    https://voxeu.org/article/re-evaluating-sources-recent-productivity-slowdown


    https://blogs.worldbank.org/developmenttalk/broad-based-productivity-slowdown-seven-charts


    https://www.intereconomics.eu/contents/year/2017/number/1/article/the-global-productivity-slowdown-diagnosis-causes-and-remedies.html



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    #5089
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Perhaps the continued transfer of wealth away from the average population towards the 1% who own a hugely disproportionate amount of the worlds wealth, and continue to accumulate a hugely disproportionate level of any increase in the wealth generated since the crash. These ultra wealthy do not spend 'in the community' and their wealth does not trickle down to the hoi poloi. Of course the policy of Central Banks to follow 'quantative easing' just pushed liquidity into the markets and so just pushed up share prices for no reason.

    How sending millionaires/billionaires on a 45 minute flight into space benefits anyone, even them, I have yet to see.



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    #5090
    amacca
    Registered Users Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭amacca


    Thank you both......Its a worrying bar chart imo



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    #5091
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,322 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I guess this is why they want to leave the ECJ? One of the deportees has had their flight pushed back. I also see Prince Charles has been vocal about this - though that's scarcely news given his noted interference.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/uk-rwanda-deportation-flights-5790054-Jun2022/




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    #5092
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    The most popular thing to do with that flight to Rwanda would be to put Pritty Patel on it and send her back to her ancestral home in Uganda. She is a descendant of immigrants fleeing to GB for a better life. She should be more sympathetic to such people and allow them a life, and chance of such a life, to other asylum seekers .

    She is a vicious nasty person.



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    #5093
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,322 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205150#Comment_119205150

    As has been pointed out many times, the changes she is implementing would have meant her parents never been allowed into the country. It is 100% racist in the sense of Pulling the Ladder Up.



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    #5094
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users Posts: 17,180 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The amount of ill informed and down right ignorant post on the newspaper articles in Britain is freightening. These people do not or do not want to understand that just because something has Europe in its name, it is not neccessarily the EU



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    #5095
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,514 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205904#Comment_119205904

    Beware of selection bias. Most people who comment are those actually reading these abysmal publications.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #5096
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,010 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Braverman on Peston putting the ECHR on the chopping block.

    Peter Kyle (Shadow NI) rubbishing it of course.



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    #5097
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,639 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    According to the Daily Mail this morning, the Government feel they won't need to pull out of the ECHR as they mays simply decide to start ignoring ECHR rulings that are not in their favour.



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    #5098
    salonfire
    Registered Users Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭salonfire


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205150#Comment_119205150

    This is such a stupid stance to take. Are you just as outraged at Bidan preventing the Irish to emigrate to the US? That prevents the illegal Irish there from coming home?

    Should Bidan throw up the Borders of the US to central and south America?

    After all, his family were immigrants.



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    #5099
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209075#Comment_119209075

    None of them have read the GFA they claim they are so fervently protecting. Braverman must be the most unqualified AG the UK has ever had.



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    #5100
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209450#Comment_119209450

    Except there are still legal ways for Irish people to emigrate to the US..... Priti is pulling up the ladder her own parents used.



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    #5101
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,514 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209450#Comment_119209450

    Obviously not the same thing. Irish in the US are illegal migrants or have visas. It's one or the other. The Tories have abolished all legal routes to the UK so that asylum seekers can't legally come here.

    It's racism, plain and simple.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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