Dole 'summer bonus' .. are they for real?

What is the percentage then?

Is the covid/war forums having a slow day to say you are adding another string to your bow?

It’s not the individuals fault for being long term welfare recipients

if you have a system that rewards certain behaviours with social housing, hap, dole, disability benefit, carers allowance and also turns a blind eye to the black market then you are doomed to more people living on the welfare state and the more money you spend on welfare the more people who will end up on welfare

it’s the system that is the problem

Rarely a week goes by and another Social welfare bashing thread.

It's the Jobseekers Allowance that comes under scrutiny and rightly so.

This time around because some TD makes a suggestion, let's kick all on SW. Perhaps OP is not aware, Unemployment levels are a record lows and SW encompasses 10"s of thousands on Disability payments and I might add other supports because people's incomes are so low, Heck there's even a working family payment.

Nobody is begrudging genuine recipients of Disability Allowances and supports, ditto for Working Family Payments. Unemployment levels being low is great, and shows that there are plenty of jobs to be had for those on JSA - especially those on JSA for two years, two decades, etc... Heck we're even importing people to fill roles that long-term JSA recipients won't apply for.

Then there's this bizzare assumption SW Throw money at people and everyone gets free money and Fuel Allowance, it's utter nonsense. Those on illness benefit, entitled to nothing but an illness benefit payment, if they qualify for it, a Jobseekeer has to be on JSA for 15 months before being eligible for fuel allowance.

Over 370,000 households are on Fuel Allowance payments gov.ie - Extra Fuel Allowance payment of €100 will be made this week - Minister Humphreys (www.gov.ie)

How many of these are going to long-term JSA recipients? We know there are north of 65K long term (over one-year) claimants: Live Register May 2022 - CSO - Central Statistics Office

Did any low-income working household get this extra money? Zero.

People need to check some facts before arbitrarily throwing out assumptions and down right misinformation. Yes there are abuses but a tiny, tiny percentage of SW claimants abuse the system.

You cannot claim that abuses are a tiny percentage of the amount of claimants - the Dept of Social Protection don't actively investigate all claims. Have they investigated all 65K above?

Like it or not, both SW recipients and working people are struggling, that's a simple fact and we've seen nothing yet, baton down the hatches those who obsess about people on SW and low incomes, you might find yourself needing support sometime and maybe sooner than you think.

I want to focus on your last line "you might find yourself needing support sometime and maybe sooner than you think." - Do you think it is right that if someone who has worked decades and is made unemployed through no fault of their own is only going to get a maximum of €208 per week - the EXACT same rate that someone who has never worked gets...? Don't forget the person who has never worked will have their medical cards, fuel allowances and low rent payments to make.

It's an insult to those who work - dare I say you speak just like a Dept of Social Protection head honcho or a politician.

Still nothing.

If you found more than half a dozen posts of mine in the covid forum I'd be surprised, and I wasn't aware there was a 'war forum'.

And to think, you've gone to all that bother getting your blood up because you're gun-shy about putting up a percentage when challenged.

Those in the Turas Nua programme are typically long-term JSA recipients - but if I remember correctly, they are not counted anymore as JSA recipients because they are "in a programme".

Similar to the way the folks on the Community Employments Schemes are not counted either.

Fudging the numbers really at the end of the day though.

Oh I am well aware of the system

I could also name easily 200 families where no one has ever worked or “worked”, and no welfare inspector who likes breathing will do anything about it