Dole 'summer bonus' .. are they for real?

Easily could

eliminate non Irish workers and many towns in Ireland would have more people claiming dole, carers and disability or some other government benefit than actually work.

there is many families who run the careers disability combo scam and this will be handed down the generations

No need for the bold font , albeit impressive

There is unfortunately - the new Boards.ie layout is shyte and one cannot part quote and form a point around it.

A. We're does it mention JSA in the Thread Header 🤔

Where does it mention WFP, Disability, etc... Dole is a common slang name for JSA

B. Have you actually read some of the absurd comments and unless I've missed something this is another SW bashing Thread

I briefly do and skip to the comments that are worth engaging with

C. 370k household are on FA, again, you may not be aware, that includes pensioners, People on Disability, Some on JSA (After 15 months) ,NONE on illness benefit and none on JSB

As pointed out in the response to you last time - there are over 65K long term JSA recipients, so I have excused the other ~300K as being on the payments you mention - did you miss that?

D. I can absolutely claim welfare fraud is tiny in the context of the over all budget and incidentally the most high-profile cases actually involved pension fraud, PUP fraud, not jobseekers Allowance fraud.

No, you have not. Your language suggests you might be able to - perhaps your employment position offers insight into the workings of the department? - but as of yet you have not produced anything to back up your repeated assertion that fraud levels in the JSA payments are tiny. It's no more anecdotal than those on here who say its more widespread. Though from the outset there are alot more people saying it's more widespread than just you saying it's tiny - so over to you.

E. It is an insult to working people who literally depend on social welfare and HAP supports, both of which are heavily means tested.

No it's not. Anyone working and depending on supports a.k.a. the working poor are likely to be pi$$ed off that those on long-term JSA are being suggested for a summer "bonus" on top of recently getting an additional €100 fuel payment. Not withstanding that these long-term JSA recipients are also "entitled" to medical cards too. Many of the working poor cannot get medical cards because they earn more than the paltry thresholds:

How much you can earn and still qualify for a medical card - HSE.ie

Anyone working and bringing in €442 take home per week to feed a family is pretty much mandated to take out private health insurance or take a chance that their guts stay in good nick 'till they hit 70 years of age.

Back to you , but I'm off to bed.

Do, and have a good think about the reality on the ground about proposals for Summer Bonuses for the Dole while the rest of us working hard go swing and pay through the nose via the stealth taxes required to keep feeding the welfare machine.

And I want a house made out of lollipops and rainbows. Every developed country you care to name has long-term unemployed, and with more acute problems on this front than Ireland. Welcome to planet earth, and welcome to reality. I want zero crime and zero road deaths too. Do you think I'll ever live to see the day? Or should I reconcile myself that we'll always see a certain level of both while working towards minimising it.

Once again, people are giving themselves brain aneurysms over 65k people out of a labour force of 2.5 million. We don't have a significant long-term unemployment issue in this country, both in absolute terms, and relative to peer countries, despite what the people covering their devices in spittle posting might be dreaming up.

There goes the "ah shure it'll be grand" attitude I mentioned.

Anyone on Jobseekers for over 12 months should be forced to either work on Community Employment Schemes or retrain.

The attitude should be that you have to do something productive to heat and eat.

Long term welfare should be the reserve of those who can't work. And they should be offered better supports in some instances.

Do you think it is acceptable for people to be on JSA for years and even decades?

You know right well that it's not a case for forced labour. There is always the option to end a claim for JSA, isn't there?

This post reminds of this scene from Anchorman

"Those numbers don't take into account households with two television sets...and... other things of that nature"

You've got a facts processing problem my friend, and you're powered by anger and no little bitterness.

😂

Go to bed. It's late and by the sounds of things you've got to be productive tommorow.

What could we do to get rid of this 65k person drain on public finances?

Where do they live? They wouldn't be able to afford a mortgage or private rents they must have some sort of free housing . How many free houses are non contributors taking up?

I have asked you as you are sharing around the 65k person fact. You might have access to the details.