Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

There were talks among Russians, they're hoping Putin would rebuild conquered territories just like he did it in Chechnya ~20 years ago. But would they?..

If those 2 brits are actually "regular Ukrainian army" and not 'mercenaries', than Britain has no role here.

Of course we all know this is just a pedantic ruse. They fought in Syria for the YPG, were they regulars there too? How very convenient for-hire mercenaries get to swap out uniforms and countries at will and enjoy international protections where ever their flights of fantasy take them.

They are members of the regular Ukranian army.

A war crime being committed involving their citizens means Britain are involved.

Remarkable how you ignore any comment directed to you on the Wagner Group and Russia's use of mercenaries.

Or you know, any of Russia's war crimes.

It's not whatboutery when we are talking about mercenaries in the conflict area.

So your rather obvious and lame attempt to deflect when a comparable question is put to you.

I put it to you again - you comment about these captured Ukranian soldiers (note that is how I described them as they are not mercenaries), yet when it comes to the Wagner Group it is see no evil, hear no evil.

So once again:

Remarkable how you ignore any comment directed to you on the Wagner Group and Russia's use of mercenaries yet are quick to jump in throwing out accusations of mercenaries against Ukraine.

I don't know anything about them, they sound like mercenaries.

Very much like the 2 Brits sentenced by the DPR.

Let's dial it back it bit. Where does she admit to lying?

It was the headline you led with in your post.

So either specify the quote from her in text or video timeframe, or we can conclude that was a lie you posted.

She has explained where her information came from, from UNICEF help line for victims of sexual abuse.

Now maybe she made the information up, maybe the people phoning the help line made it up, maybe some or all of the people who phoned the help line did not want to engage in legal prosecution process. There are probably statistics out there on the % of abused women who come forwards.

But nowhere in the text and video that you linked as evidence did she "admit to lying". So why are you claiming that she did?

There are documented cases of sexual abuse during the Russian occupation by Russian troops. How do you suggest you prove these accusations in a time of war when the Russian troops are no longer there? Do you accept the cases documented by Bucha prosecutors of Russian war crimes?

I won't spare you articles that reveal the depth of your ignorance on what is happening.

If you don't know who the Wagner Group are after 100 days of the conflict, and the amount of coverage of them in the press and on boards.ie threads, then you are ignorant of the basics of what is going on.

"Spare me your little Brit propaganda article", nope, we won't let you getaway with see no evil hear no evil head in the sand approach to justify your pro Russian posts.

Very easy to throw out slogans like "Brit propaganda article."

How about reading the article and telling us what information contained in it is false and why.

Sorry, but all these "maybes" and "probablies" are not constructive.

Again, she's an official body. Of course, she wanted to get help from other countries, but she admitted: "indeed, maybe I exaggerated" - this is a lie to get more weapon support. And she's risking to not get help next time because of her lies.

Ok, for your pleasure, let's say "25 vs 3 actually confirmed cases" was just a bit "exaggerated", but would it help to raise the trust in their words next time? That's what I'm trying to say.

As I said before - what's documented - is a hard fact. Of course I accept this! I'm not trying to downplay the sizes of crimes of any of sides.

whataboutism = FAIL

Poster posts a link to an article and video in which they claim person admits to lying.

Nowhere in the article and video does the person admit to lying.

The best they can find is that the person may have used exaggerated, so then it becomes subjective, is an exaggeration a lie?

Does not deny that sexual assaults by Russian troops occurred in the occupied zone.

It's pretty clear which is the bigger lie that's going on and that's the attempt to cover up Russian war crimes.

Someone who uses a phrase like "endemic lie machine" about the Ukranian government, while believing every lie put out by the Russians has no credibility.

Do you remember the lies that Russia weren't going to invade? They would never launch a full invasion of Ukraine?

Yep, all those lies about denazification, all those lies about protecting ethnic Russian and the origins of the conflict in Donbas, all those lies about concern about NATO expansion. Putin just came clean. This is about "taking back what's theirs". An imperial land grab.

So if you want to talk about an endemic lie machine, you've been repeating its output on this thread.

After WWII France established a new constitution and a Forth Republic.

France (the 3rd Republic) was infact, a failed state.

It is well known that many victims of sexual assault do not come forward. I consider it entirely possible women may phone a helpline after abuse and may for example access medical treatment but will not go through a legal or reporting process. This is a possibility that must be considered and it is "constructive" to point this out.

I don't disagree with this phrasing re: impacts of being found to have exaggerated (should that in fact be the case) but I still hold firm to opinion it is a world of difference away from "admitting she lied".

By that definition, the USSR was a failed state and any other country could legitimately invade its remnants? Because that seems to be your implication. Which is also, utterly without any moral or intellectual or political justification.

Your definition of failed state is so absurd, we can keep this up all day finding ridiculous examples to demonstrate it.

Ah now theyve pushed well on past Popasna, its their biggest breakthrough on the old DPR/LPR border. The border is the most fortified part of the Ukrainian defence also - just look at how much of that original defensive line is still intact. It's like a WWI battlefield, trenches and no mans' lands.

Russians since reached the main Bakhmut/Lysychansk highway on one side, are pushing toward Bakhmut itself on the other, and on the north side are pushing towards Zolote along one bank of the river. Its one of the few areas they saw a breakthrough in the last month, which has now near stalled.

Likewise with Izyum they have since pushed well south and west of it, but are now starting to stall.

Since taking Liman they havent made any real gains, but up to that point they were albeit slowly.

God , you are a gas man. Will you get up the yard and stay there. You would be an ideal subject for anyone considering doing a PHD on ‘ deflection , whataboutary,, misinformation, creating division, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc , keeping away from the core issue , etc,etc, etc, etc.