Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

Don't you remember Harry wanting to covertly get Meghan’s side of the story regarding her father across to the public via the authors of Finding Freedom? When he wanted to actually meet with them himself along with Meghan’s rather lengthy notes to hand for reference but then sent his communications director in his stead? When he welcomed the suggestion to conceal his involvement with the book and who then subsequently put out a statement denying any involvement at all with that hagiography? i.e. Harry was lying. That all came out in court lest you forget and it all came out in a case his wife brought about. It was the infamous "unfortunate lapse of memory". Like you'd forget writing a very detailed takedown of you paternal family which was all done in the slyest manner.

So would they lie to advance themselves in a racially sensitive US after they found freedom? I certainly wouldn't put it past them.

A british prince reduced to reality TV. I don't think that was ever the plan considering Harry, a 36 year old man, said he had to make media deals because he was cut off financially. It's an incredible fall and saw on Twitter a suggested title for the series - Dumbarton Abbey.

He’s revealed himself to be the most incredibly spoiled brat. The man is a qualified helicopter pilot, surely he can find himself an honest job with that - he’d be well paid too, but of course not enough for the lifestyle he’s accustomed to. He supposedly wanted to be a ordinary person, so why doesn’t he try living like one?

It's beyond terrible.

I still drop in from time to time, I still hold the same views as I did this time last year. Most of what I see posted here now is speculation and heresy at best so not worth replying to. All credit to EOTR for having the energy to keep repeating themselves.

As you say no point reiterating things time and time again it just goes in circles.

So what's your opinion on them being "deeply honored and excited" about attending the Jubilee ? How saying that seemingly contradicts everything they said about experiencing racism, lack of support for their mental health, about how they were trapped, silenced, unprotected, cut off financially etc.? Doesn't it strike you as odd that they'd actually embrace such a collective shower a baxtards?

I can understand how, for example, anti-monarchists might be sympathetic to the Sussexes and how this can lead to them being supportive of the pair of them but their mere presence at a party weekend celebrating all they've criticised seemed like a right royal middle finger to such people. You don't have to reply but fwiw I go by what they put into the public domain and not the PR driven churnilism about sweet nods and zoom calls with Will and Her Maj. Given how clearly persona non grata they are with the BRF then where to from here? It's pretty clear to everyone now that the senior Royals want sweet FA to do with them and their brand stateside is irrevocably dented to that end.

I suppose there is a difference between words and actions. He might say he adores the Queen, and there's no doubt in my mind that he genuinely does, but would she have felt affection and adoration when he participated in the Oprah interview which effectively shat on everything she has spent decades propping up and in service to? Affection when this was done while her husband was gravely ill in hospital? Which gave them all a PR nightmare while they were collectively bracing for a likely bereavement? Would she feel affection while she is clearly succumbing to her old age while her grandson is poised to release a memoir, backed by a handsome advance, which will only shift units if it contains juicy gossip and tea later this year? While their PR manifesting keeps them fanning the tabloid flames? You know he could have chosen to not do such an interview, he could have chosen to not write a memoir, he could have lived a private life and just live his life in happiness with his young family. Nobody forced him to do any of those things. The guy could have, after trashing out a proper exit plan with his family, issued one of their statements about them stepping down and said that, for the sake of his and his wife's mental health, that they were stepping down, that he would support his family who work in service of the scrutinised and suffocating system which personally lead them to make such a decision. He could have detailed a list of causes he wished to support and promote and could have asked for some privacy going forward. Anyone with a shred of empathy would have understood that and there'd be none of the drama ever since. I don’t think his dad would have been averse to giving them a stipend, a living wage, even an RPO like his mother was offered. Any personal grievances they had could then be kept private and dealt with privately with no airing of dirty laundry which risked persona non grata status. It would have been the PR savvy and smart thing to do. It would have been the classy thing to do and it would have been the affectionate thing to do.

But you are getting outraged (for want of a better word) on someone else's behalf.

If the Queen felt so hard done by by everything Harry did or said surely he wouldn't have gotten an invite?

So either she doesn't consider what he did to be such a misdemeanor or perhaps there is some truth to the things he said.

He flew his family half way round the world for his grandmother but him leaving early is what's thrown at him?!

We don't know the exact reason (though I fear whatever it was wouldn't be good enough anyway) so how can anyone judge it to be disrespectful?

there isn't a shred of evidence to show any of this, just conspiricy theories whipped up on the basis of fake outrage on behalf of a foreign institution who does not care about anyone outraged on it's behalf.

they got to keep titles, they are duke and duchess and he is a prince, not shabby titles now in fairness and certainly no bluff being called either.

the narcissist allegation has been debunked, not a shred of evidence for it, simply very bad attempts at ammitor psycology wich, when examined fall into pieces quickly and hard.

not sure everything they have done has failed, this seems to be just wishful thinking and wanting that to be true, sure some of her staff have quit over the years but there are many possible reasons for that.

people would have absolutely cared no matter what they said and done, the fact is the outrage is because they left and have exposed the RF for the flaud family they are and the problematic institution that it is and that was always going to get people's goat up because people were to invested in the fairy tale.

sure, like any celebrity there will be a few who genuinely don't like them because celebrity does, but realistically the majority of outrage over them is because of what i have stated above, with certain tabloids fanning the flames.

how do you know another few hours wouldn't have mattered? do you have access to their heads to mind read or something?

how in gods name was them leaving when they did disrespectful? they were going to have to leave at some stage, and chances are that would have been disrespectful as well, the same as anything they would do no matter the reason.

you are just outraged on behalf of a foreign institution who you feel have been slighted, it hasn't been slighted.

So I wonder would they be complicit in this exposing of them if they actually got half in, half out i.e. still working for the toxic institution part time? If they got IPP security status in California with no financial worries over paying for it? If they got to pick and choose and turn up for the intermittent glam Royal events and leave the boring handshaking in Milton Keynes gigs to the rank and file working Royals? If they were free to brand themselves as Royal Highnesses in the US and enjoy that unique selling point to make lots of money selling tat on QVC and doing product promotions? And do it all with absolutely no oversight or interference from Buck Palace?

They would in their holes be complicit. What we've been seeing is the Royal equivalent of a toddler in a supermarket throwing a tantrum because despite getting one toy they can't have ALL the toys.

ultimately only they would be able to answer that question for sure, maybe they would have exposed the truth eventually or maybe not, ultimately we are where we are.

what i do know is that quite rightly they have exposed issues with the RF and hopefully the RF will address those issues for it's own sake.