Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

He was probably always a twat, just it was well covered up!

We don't know who attended the birthday party, only who was invited.

MaryAnne said above they could have waited until after the weekend to hold the birthday party when most of the RF were free but I think it probably suited the RF to be conveniently unavailable that weekend 😁

After everything that has been said on the topic you still do not get it. The comments here from the majority are not about outrage, or love of the monarchy, or racism, or jealousy, or stupidity, or lack or understanding. H&Ms actions and their own words do not align, ever. There is always something to be clarified or explained or cleared up. Their words and actions towards both of their families are by any standards rude, disrespectful and contradictory of all evidence that is right in front of our eyes. We see their actions, we hear their words and yet you are telling us that we misunderstand, or mis interpret or that they meant something else. But you clearly have drank the Kool Aid, and refuse the acknowledge the multiple contradtictions they embody.

You cannot promote compassion to the world and refuse the visit your ill father or forgive him, he has commited no crime, regardless of how slighted you feel over his past actions, of which the only one you have ever accused him of publically is selling photos and information about you to a newspaper. Thats it. Thats the terrible thing that she said he did. She has every right not to forgive him, but you lose the right to preach compassion to the world. That is the very definition of a hypocrite.

Ditto Harry and his family. He has every right to think they are a bunch of racist, trapped, inbred spongers, if he so choses. But if you go on worldwide tv and drop these bombs with no evidence, dont give any names or specifics, and contradictory information is shown that what you have said is not the whole truth, then dont show up and pretend you care about the head of the family who has overseen all that and sanctioned it, and expect the red carpet to be rolled out and to be given a front row position and expect to pass pleasantries with those people you have just ranted about, multiple times. And to top it all, keep on using those titles and insist on keeping the trappings of that very organisation which has done you so much harm that you had to leave, to the extent of taking them to court to get it (protection).

And if you do those things publically then you will be called out on it.

And that is all that is going on here.

Did he say the whole institute was racist or that a member of the institute made a racist comment?

Well Meghan certainly looked friendly enough with Zara's kids in that window pic so not too hard to believe they might have been there, I'm nearly sure I read somewhere that they did but sure who can believe everything you read online, right!

If the RF did use the Jubilee to miss the baby's birthday well that's just petty and I don’t see Kate as being that petty especially where the kids are concerned, in reality it was most likely just a logistical thing.

families are different and there is no right or wrong way to deal with a situation such as this.

he betrayed her in one of the most aweful ways possible, using the media to imotionally blackmail her, it is perfectly understandable that she would not forgive that and not doing so does not mean she can't show compassion ever anywhere, that's not how the world works.

humans are complex and sometimes different situations require a different way of managing them, even from individual to individual.

the whole world just saw the jubbly, some people saw something that they wanted to see which suits their narrative that the whole of the RF are against M&H and are giving them the cold shoulder and wide birth when really there isn't a shred of evidence for it, as M&H upon stepping back from royal duties were never going to be at the forefront anyway regardless of what they said or didn't say because they are not working royals and other royals doing whatever with them publically would have caused the media to invade their privacy even though that would not be the intention of the other members of the family.

anyway, the most important thing was that the queen got to see her great grandchildren which was long overdue, and which would have happened earlier but for covid.

dressing up as a nazi was a stupid thing to do, sure, completely agree, however all that shows is that he was dum as fcuck at that time.

he doesn't come across as being a brat, however given what he has been through and the situation he had to grow up in, i can't blame him for being angry if i'm honest.

wasn't he paraded around after the death of his mother to appease the whaling cult fans who previously hated her?

for all the pomp and privilage and titles and entitlements due to birth right and an invisible space wizard, being a member of the RF comes across as being hard work and i can agree with him that his father and brother are somewhat trapped.

poor charles himself i suspect is damaged to an extent, forced into a marriage that was never going to work out when he loved someone else, his mother being forced to leave him for long periods to do her "duty" .

i feel sorry for almost all of them and i think the sooner the lot is abolished, the better it will be for them, they will be free and be able to be who they actually are and should be, free to grow and learn, a huge weight will be lifted off their shoulders, and andy of course will no longer have any privelages in society, not that he has much now really.

I will respond to the points you made because you took the time to respind but then I will say no more on it because I will be repeating myself and that will waste both of our time.

Families are not that different and in my opinion it is one of the reasons why many people wade in on the dynamics of what is playing out in public here as almost everyone has a family member or close relative whose antics mimic what we are seeing here. An without getting into a pissing contest on how awful parents can be to their children, what you say Thomas Markle did is one of the worst things a parent can do, I would very much put what he did in the extremely mild category of what a parent could do to their child, which is why it is so mind boggling that she cant seem to get past it. but that is her perrogative. But if you make your living off being compassionite and cant cant forgive this one time act of betrayal, how compasionite are you? As I said it is only one example of her words and actions not aligning.

The whole world saw pretty much all the available appearances that they made while they were in the uk. I doubt in this digital age there was a single step taken outside of the confines of their residence that was missed or not captured. If the RF was chosing to show the world that they were not giving them the cold shoulder, there would be evidence. There is nothing to be gained by warmly embracing them in private and publicly showing no support, it is not logical that they would do that given the attention on all of them by the world media. That there is no evidence of any embracing or chit chat or the slightest acknowledgement of them at all among the immediate family. The queen made it known that she met with them. She made sure of that. But she didnt want it photogrphed for public viewing. She made sure that was known also. You say there is no evidence of cold shoulder, but the absence of evidence of a public show of support for them among the senior royals caught on camera or tv, is evidence of the cold shoulder.

And the most important thing was not that the queen got to see her great grandchildren, I think most people would agree the most important thing was the celebration of 70 years of service by a remarkable woman, something that is a rarity nowadays. But of course you wont agree with that either.

An unnamed senior member of the royal family discussed with Harry "how dark" Archie's skin color would be, and "what that would look like." and also concerns and conversations were had about how dark his skin might be when he's born. There was also inference that Archie wouldn't be titled because of racism.

When Winfrey asked, "Did you leave the country because of racism?"

Harry said, "It was a large part of it."

"I remember the Sentebale fundraiser," Harry said. "One of the people at that dinner said to me, 'Please, please don't do this with the media. They will destroy your life.' This person is friends with a lot of the editors and I said, 'What do you mean by that?' Obviously I knew. They said, 'You don't understand, the U.K. is very bigoted.' And I stopped, and I said the U.K.'s not bigoted, the U.K. press is bigoted, specifically the tabloids. Is that what you mean?' He goes, "No, the U.K. is bigoted.' And I said I completely disagree.

"But unfortunately, if the source of information is inherently corrupt or racist or biased, then that filters out to the rest of society."

He wasn't inferring that tabloid editors alone were racist, he was inferring that the UK in general is racist or at least gullible to the ends of a malicious press. You can lump in the institution with that ridiculous generalisation if you like.

Their idea of ‘ordinary’ are the other aristos who also have the wealth and lifestyle but don’t have the royal duties.

But surely they are so disliked who would care?

I would imagine there is just a semblance of truth to the things they said and possibly still have to say and that's why they are being kept on side, nothing to do with the Queen.

William went through the same thing and seems to have dealt with it in a mature manner.

They all have genetic pain. Charles had genetic pain. The same pain he passed on to his kids. I wonder what the Queen and Charles think of Harry dumping on their parenting skills under the admittedly unique circumstances.

Also Harry said he felt like he was living in the Truman Show as a Royal, that he had no privacy, had PTSD over camera clicks.

Now he is engaging with a reality show, which will have cameras trained on him, which will chronicle their lives and that of his wife and kids in the invasive manner such shows do. It's almost like the Truman Show only he's aware of the cameras. Like jumping from the frying pan into the fire to my mind but I'm sure he's living his best life and his kids will only adore being subjected to all of this when they grow up.

But they do work!

They have their woke company Archewell 🤣

william was much older in fairness so had a slightly greater ability to deal with it.

because he may allow the cameras in now does not mean his feelings about being part of the RF aren't valid or suddenly become invalid, at the end of the day people change and maybe he feels that by being able to control how and where cameras have access here and there it might help him in some way, who knows.