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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XII (The Byrne Supremacy)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    This result highlights what a disgrace Glasgow were last week....

    Along with the welsh teams...

    The SA's were badly needed for the integrity of this competition....vital going forward

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,374 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Sexton had a point. There was a lot of foul play going unchecked by ref/TMO.

    e.g. the scrum pen that the Bulls won against Lein was celebrated by shouting and hitting Porter on the head several times.

    Hopefully Ulster can go all the way and get some Irish hands on the trophy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Sexton made a show of himself today. Bulls were probably laughing at him.

    You're the captain. How about rally your troops instead of getting involved in handbags trying to look tough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,172 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Physicality wasn't an issue against La Rochelle. Leinster had greater collision dominance more gainline success.

    Ball handling and skills under pressure has been a much bigger issue over the course of these two matches.



  • Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭Roxxers




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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl



    Leinster won the collisions against LAR. It wasn't the "big pack" that killed them, it was being thrown completely off their rhythm by LAR consistently infringing. LAR's big pack had nothing to do with Keenan and Sexton screwing up a clearance from the 22 which was probably the biggest turning point in the game.

    The backs completely lost cohesion and starting spilling ball left, right and centre in both games.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Maybe you should take your profile off private and do everyone a favor. So we don’t have to read your posts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭letsbefair


    We lost it upfront. Breakdown and line out. They slowed the game. Thought ref was out of his depth. We made a lot of basic errors.

    would be worried about the nz tour.



  • Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭Roxxers


    yes they were not allowed to play , do you get that ? and the infringing thing is another joke , blaming ref now on both matches



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    If you've size and speed you always have a chance. La Rochelle and Bulls have both. Madosh Tambwe was sensational tonight. Rock solid under the high ball when Leinster were missing two key components of their aerial game (Lowe and Keenan).

    This is a good result in the long run for Leinster (and Ireland). When they chips are down, Johnny may not be available, and both teams need to learn how to win without him against big physical sides that don't leak easy go-forward ball.

    Commiserations to Leinster, who are still an exceptional team. Lost in the post mortem will be one the best tries of the season they scored tonight.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,172 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    The biggest issue in both losses over recent weeks have been centred around decision making. At times we lost the physical duels, but we had enough of the ball and attacking opportunities to win both games.

    Against La Rochelle we went for the points when the French side were struggling with their discipline. In the end we lost due to trys scored. The reverse happened tonight. Our lineout was poor and we had 4 of our own throws stolen on the Bulls 5 metres line. Points were the better option.

    Of course you can say this is all in hindsight, but eventually you expect them to actually make the right decisions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,374 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    True. I misspoke. But it is grounds for penalty reversal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Leinster's pack was bigger than the Bulls' pack. But we got bullied anyway. It wasn't about size. It was about who fronted up and who wanted it more.

    Leinster don't like it when teams refuse to roll over and they stand up to them.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I didn't blame the ref in either match. You could at least try to make sense.

    If you had to pick a problem between the backs and forwards in both games (and that would be stupidly simplistic) you would pick the backs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    If that’s the case then it’s fixable. Effectively both teams brought great line speed and huge physicality on the ganeline. We weren’t finding soft shoulders and making line breaks off them. We need to find a way to adjust to that. Something for the coaches to work out.


    There seems to be an arrogance amongst some Leinster supporters. (Not saying you). That we should win every game and are entitled too. We played poorly tonight. Some of that was down to the Bulls. Some possibly complacency. Hopefully both will be a source of learning for the squad as a whole and the coaches.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brewster


    Not good. Better team won. Coetzee was at the end of a few beatings at the RDS but he was outstanding tonight- two cruciate injuries later. What a player.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl



    Yup, a good point. We took completely different approaches to the scoreboard. Perhaps they saw what happened against LAR and changed approach but it was stark (and didn't work).



  • Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭Roxxers


    stupidly simplistic lol yep lovely maybe re watch the games and see where they lost , have a nice weekend



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,383 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep



    Aye. There's a lot of talk about physicality in tackles and packs being dominated - because that's become some sort of narrative and it's easy but lazy analysis - but the truth is neither of those things were true to anywhere near the degree people say. Leinster were on top physically at times in both games, and under the cosh at others. We were well capabable of winning both games on the night even with how the game went but made the wrong choices (as you say hindsight) at the wrong times. Much like the Ringrose/McGrath decisions against Saracens in the final there. Sexton clearance decision/take the points/unlucky bounce off JOB in the final this year.

    People talk as if only Leinster are a team that play against big packs, we're not. Toulouse have a big pack, Montpellier have a big pack and many more do. No mention of physicality when we beat them, but it's easy to trot out afterwards. Gets tiresome to hear time after time when it doesn't come close to painting an accurate picture.

    What I will say is that sure, being able to match Leinster up front does put the lads under pressure mentally in a situation where they may then make the wrong decisions, but people don't seem to talk about that at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    You could make a strong case that they were a big fish in a small pond for the four-in-a-row league titles. The Final win against Munster last season was arguably a worse performance than this one, for example.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭letsbefair


    Irish Times report is spot on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,007 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It's the first season for Leinster trying to play this type of game plan. There was always a chance that mistakes would creep in once the pressure of semi's and final came on. It won't take much to tweak and with the experience gained this year we'll be a better team. I also expect Frawley to be much more heavily involved next season, especially at 10.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,383 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    Stark isn't the word I'd use. Stupid is. It was really poor decision making tonight when a man down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,172 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    As good as Leinster are at generating quick ball at the ruck, we're frustratingly prone to conceding turnover penalties . Its an area which has dogged us for years imo. I don't know if it's an issue with resourcing or if the clear out needs working on. But something isn't right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,374 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Leinster have great structures/academy, good coaches and a solid fan base. They will still be able to improve.

    They have been blessed with some excellent players who, for various reasons, have not played at their peak this season:

    Ringrose, Henshaw, Porter, Furlong, Ryan, Conan, Doris, Park.

    Their biggest challenge is finding the successor to Sexton. JC to return? 🤔



  • Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭Itxa


    You’re being disingenuous there. Ball handling errors are/were a result of pressure and the physicality taking a toll. To say we dominated or at least got the better of La Rochelle physically is false. Stats can paint a picture but they don’t paint the toll it takes on the bodies of the defenders.

    Furlong was gasping towards the end of the first half in a way I haven’t seen him before. The Bulls basically implemented South Africa’s game plan against us and we looked like an average Irish international side or at least limited.

    The handling errors were a result of pressure and the Bulls being in our face- to say otherwise or that physicality doesn’t have an impact is false.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't think the best team did win. That's why it hurts so much. Play that game 100 times and leinster win the vast majority of them. But hey that's sport. Gotta turn up on the day



  • Registered Users Posts: 428 ✭✭Madeoface


    Watching the crusaders v chiefs game now in fsr worse conditions than the RDS makes me very nervous about the nz tour. The ball just sticks to them.

    No international quality replacement 10 for Ireland, suspect front row, 9 not good under beaten pack and Leinsters Lions players all going into reverse. No-one from munster ripping up trees (despite clamour from some munsterfans that Coombes is)...balcoune in ulster is, Hume maybe... but otherwise no changes, could be very depressing heading into wc.

    That it took JS, Healy etc to inject a belated bit of pace was not encouraging....



  • Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭Roxxers


    sexton also needs to learn to keep his gob shut



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,962 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl



    Sure, Leinster need to adjust, but I don't think the fundamental gameplan was wrong. The worrying issue is that when Leinster weren't immediately cutting the opposition open they started to panic and started dropping balls, throwing silly offloads and generally just being sloppy. That is indicative of mentally falling apart.

    What went wrong today on a technical front was the lineout and that definitely killed us. Look at our last try off good lineout ball in terms of what Leinster were trying to do. But the knock-ons and sloppy play were infuriating.



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