Are we heading for a fuel shortage?

Ah I thought we were having a reasonable exchange of views here and along comes the "so what you're saying is....(inserts something I wasn't saying) post.

A poster mentioned something back the thread about something only being of benefit to motorists,I pointed out that that term would cover absolutely every single household I know where I live and the vast majority of houses in ireland in general,Sin è.

Can I give you the example of my day so far today?

A 140km round trip for a medical appointment with no option of public transport.

2 separate walks into town.

How would you suggest I got a bit less driving into that?

People will do whatever suits them,if I knew it was going to start p1ssing down I would have taken the car to get milk on my second walk.

There is these great things now called weather apps. Yes they are not always perfect but they give you some idea what the weather will be like. It is good for viewing what the in the next few hours can be like and can be quiet accurate at that.

As for the rising cost of fuel I blame the EU and there slow actions. If they had if just banned everything in round one sections then fuel would at a reasonable price now but no they had to have a round 1 and 2 and 3, 4 and 5 then fecking 6.

Oil was looking quiet decent before round 6 of sanctions. It was 403 euro for 300 litres of Karesine not great but still better than it was before and a lot better than it fecking is now.

Oil at the fuel court was cheaper than it is now too what's its 2euro10cent a litre for petrol now I heard. I would not know because my vehicle is a BEV.

You might laugh but thats how it works.

Culturally that how it happens in other countries. Its a cultural shift.

Petrol gone up 15 cent in the last 2 days at a station near me

Why?

Your solution is to put MORE motorists looking for fuel on the road?

Actually its the Govt plan not mines. I was being sarcastic. Obviously went over peoples heads.

Sorry I didn't mean to ruin your avocado toast.

2.20 a litre now in Clonmel today Friday.

Did you not post this witty repartee 2 days ago? Didn't get much traction then either.

We all drive too much myself included.

Whats peoples thoughs about fuel be rationed here in comming months?

My feeling is its not looking great theres reports of shortages appearing worldwide usa ect and with a ban on Russian imports coming in 5 weeks can only make the suitition worse,

Translation of above

Europe has become addicted not only to Russian gas, but also to Russian diesel. Much more diesel is used than European refineries produce. A lot of diesel is also made in Europe from Russian oil.

 Due to the war in Ukraine, oil and diesel will soon no longer be allowed to be imported into the European Union, which is why the fear of a diesel shortage is growing.

 At the moment, diesel at the pump is already more expensive than petrol, where it has been the other way around for many years. Because the number of private diesel drivers is declining rapidly, the price increase mainly affects the transport sector and the business community. Indirectly, the consumer pays for this because the high diesel prices are incorporated in the price of products.

In itself there is enough oil in the world and it should therefore be possible to make enough diesel. The shortage is caused by the fact that many refineries have already reduced imports of Russian oil and diesel in anticipation of the sanctions. Not only Europe, but also the US is now trying to import diesel from other parts of the world.

 Diesel from the various refineries in Rotterdam is often made with so-called Ural oil from Russia. It is not easy for refineries to find comparable oil on the world market or to adapt their refining processes. Oil companies around the world are now scouring the market for alternatives to Russian oil and diesel.

 BP has one of the largest refineries in Europe in Rotterdam and produces one million liters of diesel every hour. The company immediately stopped importing Russian oil after the war in Ukraine, says Karen de Lathouder, CEO of BP Netherlands. The refinery in Rotterdam was able to switch quite easily, but this is more complicated for many other companies.

 "It is difficult to switch completely from one crude oil to another in a refinery because every oil has a slightly different composition. The refineries are precisely designed for a special mix of oil and that is what the factory runs on best. If that mix changes, it doesn't work as well anymore," says De Lathouder

Does the flame go out of the pipe?

 Because it will take time to make these alternatives suitable for the pump, the Association of Tank Stations (BETA) expects that diesel will no longer be available in some places in the coming months. "We know that the supply from Russia is stalling, while the demand is high," says Tim Schoenmakers of BETA. "That means that there will inevitably be droughts in a period of months."

 From December 5, crude oil may no longer be imported from Russia, from February 5 next year this also applies to petroleum products such as diesel. In order to prevent a possible diesel shortage, the Central Agency for Stock Formation of Petroleum Products (COVA) has stored 550 kilotons of diesel, which the Netherlands should be able to use for 90 days. On behalf of the Minister for Climate and Energy, COVA provides strategic oil stocks that are used in the event of a shortage to prevent economic damage.

 The industry association of large oil companies (VEMOBIN) is happy that the government has built up a stock, but for the time being it assumes that it does not need to be addressed. "I don't expect a diesel shortage, certainly not in the Netherlands because we produce here three to four times more than we consume. The situation in Europe is worrying, we see that the stocks are very low and expect a reduction in diesel imports, so that will lead to to a larger shortage," says Erik Klooster, director of VEMOBIN.

Has ireland do any prep did they even replenish the stock used earlier in the year from our reserves.

I Am very temped to fill a few jerry cans of diesel and keep as a backup in case of raitioning ect

A few jerry cans wont go that far tbh.

Im keeping a 200l drum full for the same reason.

2 of us in the house with diesels, 30 miles to work each way. We fill about once every 2 weeks.

55ltr and 65 ltr tanks meaning 2 fills piece, a months driving.

Id be slow in getting a 1000l fill.

2 grand in diesel is a target for thieves.