Your New WHS Index

Yes, there may be situations like that. But that's unusual enough tbh

I it was non qualifying how were you cut?

Not really sure what you're asking?

You had a cut which is still being applied.

You've since had a couple of bad rounds, but a bad round on its own won't change your handicap now, if your 20th round on your record was a counting round and you played a bad round to replace it, your handicap would go up.

Your handicap is based on the best 8 scores of your last 20 rounds, the only way it goes up or down is by those 8 rounds changing to either a better or worse set of 8, on a rolling basis.

I'm pretty sure that extra cuts applied are phased out over a period of time (but not 100% on the mechanics of that process)

I’m done with this new system. It has ruined club golf. Too many fluctuations in handicaps seeing bonkers handicaps on people well known for being better than that mark

He's going to join the LIV tour 😅

I was at an interclub match last night where I talked to a guy complaining about the wHS being a rubbish system. He said he had 2 bad rounds of golf and got no increase for them.

The same guy later told me his handicap was 16.6 which would have made him eligible to play in this comp. When I asked him why he wasn't playing himself, he said he was off 12.5 in July last year, so he was too low.

A 4.1 shot increase over 12 months, yet he complains that the new system isn't as good as the old system. In the old system, he would have only gained a shot and he'd be off 13.x around now.

@Ivefoundgod if you look at the definition:

Low Handicap Index

The lowest Handicap Index achieved by a player during the 365-day period (one year) preceding the day on which the most recent score on their scoring record was played (see Rule 5.7).

"preceding the day..." so I think when you play your next round, it should drop to 9.4. Could you post if it does or doesn't please?

Not enjoyable anymore because it’s no longer competitive. Giving loads of shots to fellas in matchplay and they throwing in a couple of birdies in a round. Lads coming in with 45pts with scratches in captains prize meaning id need to smash the course record to get there. These same guys will come good in team comps but on an ordinary weekend won’t break 30pts. It’s the obvious banditry that the new system allows that makes it no longer enjoyable for me

I think it depends what you're playing for I suppose, I know where I play the competitions are a big thing but I'm not remotely bothered about them. If I win a prize then great but my aim is always to put in a card that lowers my handicap. I take the point though that where there is obvious manipulation it would be frustrating. I don't pay enough attention to the results but I have seen some at my club that raised a few eyebrows given the handicap and the gross score.

I've started to play in a few junior scratch cups around the place. Scoring in this events seems to be a bit more consistent with people's handicap range. No chance I'm winning any big prizes in my own club. Thankfully they have introduced categories in fairness

I wouldn’t mind €20 if it was a fair contest. The alternative is to not play competition and not enter a casual round score for 18. Taking the competitive side of of things lessens the attraction of playing golf for me

i think we paid €25 last year (maybe even €30), it’s been at least €20 for 10 years + now.

but well worth it.

bbq burgers, few bars and drinks offered as you pass through 9 holes and a pint or 2 afterwards in the walled garden with a putting contest and a plethora of prizes.

Stay late for dinner, another €50 for a 4 course meal with wine, presentation, a bit of craic and entertainment (Gunther from Apres Match a regular)

always a great day and we’ll worth it. I never look at it as subsidising someone else’s prizes though, just enjoy it for what it is

Then craic of not handing in cards needs to be dealt with within your club.

In our place first time you get a warning second it's a comp suspension, keep at it and you could be told to leave the club. Very rarely happens now.

If your club isn't sorting it then you need to ask why not!

€20 is crazy money for a comp, unless the money is going elsewhere like food on the day, welcome packs etc. An extra €10 or €14 or whatever it is on your normal comp is grand to make more of a day out of it. If they just increase the price, I'd be annoyed.

And @slingerz - it sounds like your club has a real problem with cheats as opposed to the normal giving out about the new system that every club has. Charging a fiver for submitting casual rounds is a disgrace, but if it's needed to stop lads bumping up their handicap for the big comps, then maybe it's a price worth paying.

But if these lads are as clear a problem as you're giving the impression they are, then there must be actual evidence to identify them and ultimately do something about. Every club has people giving out about the new system, but most of that is just noise. But if your club can pick out these guys, show they were clearly submitting intentionally bad casual rounds and then able to perform on the big days, then you can probably look at bans and the like.

The one fear I'd have is that your committee happens to have the likes of the fellas on it who are convinced that this new system is giving rise to these new breeds of bandits, but the evidence isn't actually there. I'm thinking of that "journalist" whose article was posted here a couple of times. He came out with all sorts of nonsense like 90% of the casual rounds submitted were for the purpose of inflating their handicap for competitions. In which case they're probably fueling the perception in the club that this is a massive problem when it might not be and charging you a fiver for casual rounds when they don't need to.

I’m reading between the lines here but does your brother always play with you when you are getting him to approve your scores? 🤔