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Drag Shows for Kids

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You've gone from 'required' to 'need' now. I'd imagine that most of any drag show for kids is about entertainment. In general, entertainment isn't about being required or needed, but certainly can be enjoyable and good for mental health. Are you saying that there is no form of drag show that could offer appropriate entertainment to children? What is inherently sexual to you about a man wearing exaggerated female clothing and make up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    You're not going to play the politics of the condemnation game?

    I'm not asking you to condemn anything. I asked you if you felt the behavior outlined in the OP was suitable for children.

    Can you answer the question? Or are you choosing not to because it would weaken your argument?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    Correct - there isn't a single benefit to exposing children to drag in any form. What do children gain from seeing a man wearing exaggerated female clothing and make up? What point does it serve and what value does it provide in enriching their childhood? The answer to that is absolutely nothing. Zero, zilch.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The photo under discussion at the moment is a very young male child DRAG artist, posing with a fully naked male DRAG artist for a photoshoot.

    That has nothing to do with drag?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I wouldn't bother.

    It's clear to everyone what that type of poster is up to.

    in every other thread, they are happy to condemn anyone if their belief doesn't line up with theirs but ask them if children should be posing with naked men in drag or would they allow it???

    .......

    Silence.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    If the pictures in the OP were of a straight man introducing sexuality to a bunch of pre-pubescent girls and getting their dicks out, everyone would be on the same page in their criticism, it is obvious some people are so entrenched in the new religion, they will forgive any transgression.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,663 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    So your defintiion of drag is "boys in dresses alongside naked adults"?

    Kind of proves my point.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,663 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock



    They were marked by "libs of Toktok" (whatever the fcyck that is) and theerfore they must be drag acs? Riiiight.

    Anyway, I thought you werent engaging with me anymore when you proved you out to be a liar and a coward? Makes it really difficult to trust you with anything, to he honest (which you're not).

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭Miadhc


    I'll let people decide for themselves what it is


    >Men in Drag

    >Floats

    >Gay pride flags

    > On a public street

    >Obvious public event


    As I said people can make their own mind up.

    I very much doubt they will give much credence to what you are saying anyway judging by your comments on this thread.

    No I will put you on ignore before I end up telling you what I think of you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,706 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    I cannot imagine drag shows for kids being anyway commonplace outside the wet dream of lunatic Trump supporters. Well, I hope so anyway as to me it's extremely weird at best if only a very fringe activity.

    🙈🙉🙊



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I think a lot of people in this country have become corrupted by their commitments to LGBwhatever ideology.

    They are testing the waters by calling this stuff [ie the sex show in Dallas] 'harmless'.

    I wouldn't let kids anywhere near it and I don't think the usual waffle, obfuscation, sophism that we see mostly-winning arguments on other threads is going to fly here.

    It's just too suss. "Ah but your definition of drag is therefore-" No sorry it's just too suss and obviously bad.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,063 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod - OK this thread is really starting to jump the shark at this stage. Stick to the topic and be civil. If you can't do that then don't post.


    @Miadhc won't be joining us for a while. Anyone else posting images or videos like that will also find themselves banned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    It's too confusing for kids. Leave them alone.

    What about the annual panto in Dublin... Sammy Sausages.

    It's full of gay innuendo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    This has nothing to do with drag shows for kids (the title of this thread, just ICYMI).

    It's really hilarious how far you need to stretch the truth to find something to complaint about.

    So definitely not last year's Pride in Paris, as you previously stated, then?

    Did anyone on this thread call any sex show in Dallas as harmless for kids?


    So that's panto out then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I'm not going to answer any question about the OP, because that would be lending credibility to the OP and indicating that he had put out a case to be answered. He put out a mish-mash of photos from a range of different events and labelled them 'drag shows for kids' for maximum inflammatory effect. I'm not going to add fuel to his fire.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Delete



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    So you can't answer a simple question.

    Let me simplify it further, I posted one of the images from the OP earlier, a naked man posing for a photo beside a young child. Is that an image you feel is acceptable?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Ok, I’ll say this one last time.


    Anyone that exposed them self around children needs to be locked up.

    Anyone that uses sexual language around children needs to be removed.


    Drag shows in bars are not for kids, drag strip shows for kids are not a thing.

    I’ve never seen a drag artist expose themselves in my life.

    Every experience at a drag show has been brilliantly entertaining.


    This thread has been used to tar the whole gay community, of which drag artists are a tiny percentage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    "Did anyone on this thread call any sex show in Dallas as harmless for kids?"

    Not exactly. You asked a poster what the difference between pantomime and the images [of the sex show in Dallas] were.

    As part of a opening salvo into a back-and-forth of definitional sophistry ("What's your definition of age-approproate drag?")

    Try it under your real name and watch your reputation sink like a stone.

    Because you are not going to out-academise and intellectually overwhelm people on this stuff when it comes to their kids. No one gives a bollocks that you think panto and disturbing sex shows are the same thing and can't provide clearly encapsulated positivist definitions of each one, to separate them, to your satisfaction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Sorry but saying that this thread has been used to tar the whole gay community is not in step with reality.

    You should apologize for that immediately.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    • Posters asks for proof of something
    • Other poster responds with visual evidence
    • Said poster gets banned for providing evidence, and the person who asked for the evidence likes the post that says that said evidence isn't allowed

    All of that tells you so much about the people we're dealing with. They aren't ignorant, they aren't naive, they are simply dishonest actors playing the game as dishonestly as they can. Very interesting too how certain rules are created for certain threads, that exist nowhere else, and only ever seem to benefit one side.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You're deflecting. Again. Don't you get tired hopping around so much?

    You were the one asking where they happened, due to your advanced knowledge of London, and supposed familiarity with "the scene" (suggesting that you weren't aware of them).. and I pointed out that you likely wouldn't be familiar unless you were gay/bi because many places aren't open to the public.

    If you're going to deflect again.. don't bother responding to the post.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Drag shows in bars are not for kids, drag strip shows for kids are not a thing.

    But there are drag shows for kids. Just not strip ones.. yes? Does it matter what the performers are wearing, or is everything okay? As long as they're not stripping, that is.

    This thread has been used to tar the whole gay community

    Where? I haven't seen any bashing of the gay community on the thread. Care to provide some (direct) quotes to support that claim?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You left out the bit where the visual evidence was mislabelled, just like the photos in the OP, stirring things up to create fear, confusion and doubt.

    The National Party would be proud of your tactics, SOP for far right groups to attack anyone they disagree with with PAEDO roars. And yet again, it is amazing how far you exaggerate what actually happened on the thread to have something to complain about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭Curse These Metal Hands


    You could have saved a lot of hassle by condemning the picture in the OP and then arguing your point on whether it was drag or not, other posters did that.

    It's just bizarre that you refuse to acknowledge that it's objectively inappropriate.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What's more is that not all drag queens are gay. Many are actually straight! So this idea that being critical of what happened at these events is synonymous with being "anti-LGBT" is quite simply false. It's false for many other reasons too, already discussed throughout the course of this thread.

    Moreover, this event was not limited to the awful images in the OP's link.

    Remember that there was also footage of a young boy in drag dancing around and collecting cash tips from spectators.

    In whose benefit is it to introduce to children what adults do at lap dancing clubs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭newmember2


    No, they're definitely a thing as far as I can see. Supposed to introduce gender freedom and fluidity to children. Children themselves are non sexual so I would think fairly gender fluid anyway as they wouldn't have much importance attached to it other than what society/parent dictates. How it would affect their later sexual development is anyone's guess but I'd imagine the motivation from the pink community is to develop more gender fluid/tolerant individuals.

    Post edited by newmember2 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭freemickey


    Listening to the excuse speeches of how anything remotely like this is "actually okay, because...", "This is slightly different, so..."





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Afraid the kids will catch the gay?

    Honestly, are we back in the 70s here or what!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    What hassle? It’s no hassle for me to repeatedly patiently explain why I won’t give any credibility to sh1t stirring nonsense like that posted by the OP.

    Does this independent thinking cause hassle for others?



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭freemickey




  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,443 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007



    One has to wonder about people who send their time trawling the internet for this kind of stuff and then feel the need to start trolling it.... This is not normal behaviour!

    Normal, is to get up set about it when it is identified, to demand something should be done.. put to spent ones days and nights trawling the net for it shows and unhealthy fascination for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    How dare they highlight this skeevy behaviour, eh? Its not this libs twitter account that one has to wonder about.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its fasinating,the ability of this subject in particular,to take over peoples lives to near obsessive levels


    Grame linihan being most famous example



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Nobody needs to exaggerate when it comes to your posts. There for all to see.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    I wouldn’t be familiar with what?

    I know where the drag bars are in London.

    I know Soho very well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    How do you know the OP spent "days and nights" of searching before he happened upon a Twitter link?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    The person who liked your post was one of the most active posters in this thread, the Cuties thread, and the sexual education threads. We've really created a new breed of human who've literally have no self-awareness.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Username checks out.

    Where exactly did anyone say that 'anything remotely like this is actually okay'? More heavy duty exaggeration on display there.

    And it's not normal behaviour to drag up odd incidents from all around the world and try to find a way to use them to attack vulnerable groups in Ireland.

    It really, really is that Twitter account that you should be wondering about. You should be wondering about who funds it, for a start. You should be wondering about how accounts like this use misinformation (as proven on this thread) to stir up hate, just as the UK tabloids did for years with their anti-immigrant campaigns that brought you the sh1tshow that is Brexit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So what specifically in my posts led you to believe that I'm a "pederast who wants the normalize the sexualisation of children and gain access to victims"? What actual words in what actual posts are you referring to please?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,663 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Let me give you some advice, Andrew: don't ask, just call them out on their lying. Worked for me.

    Every thing is sex and everything is in front of the children, no grey areas and you're the pedophile if you don't 100% follow them. It's like reverse-woke - all that's missing is "go educate yourselves!" at this point.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Being honest,im on mobile and cant see likes


    There may be obsessive oddballs on either side,internet will do that to people,being honest its a subject matter that seems superfluous and wouldnt be for me personally and many of the issues raised would seem red flag enough (have yet to see anyone support red flag issue,seen plenty accuse/attempt impliment others of supporting it though)...


    but yous will always find extremes on any subject,amplified by internet signal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    It really, really is that Twitter account that you should be wondering about

    Once again, the source is dubious, and not the substance. Literally everyone one of you plays the game the same way. Most people here have been giving people like you words of caution in earnest, but you're ignoring them and continuing on a dangerous path. You do all this too in the name of defending the "community", yet ironically people like you are only helping cement the view that there's nothing that you won't defend, and that will eventually result in the wider community being tarnished as a whole, and your very mindset will be the cause.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Agreed, but some subjects are worth obsessing about, especially given the fact that if wider tolerance for stuff like this spreads, then it will do untold damage to children.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Liberty_Bear


    I read books about straight people as a kid but it failed it indoctrinate me into liking women :(



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I do think some oversight is of merit,and direction from government would be of good use,obsessive about it,only harms oneself.....


    fundamentally im not sold on the preceived dangers of a drag queen(?) reading stories to kids,nor particularly see harm in kids wearing whatever they choose,most will grow outta it,


    now theres plenty red flags in the OP,and its reasonable to qs why any uninvolved adult would want spend time want around kids,you couldnt get a gaa underage coach without garda vetting,it would seem reasonable to require it for these events



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Is it really surprising?

    A few years ago when the footballer Adam Johnson was sent to prison for sexually assaulting a 15 year old girl there was a thread on this site about it, a huge number of posters were arguing that what had done wasn't that bad and demanded that he stop being referred to as a paedophile as his crimes made him a Ephebophile and that exact description should be used and anyone saying he deserved prison needed to cop on and accept that 15 year old girls are attractive.

    The mind boggles.

    The idea that people on this thread are seeing an opportunity to have a go at the gay community as a whole is absurd and not based in any sort of fact, yet it's thrown out there as if it were.

    Whatever the flavour of insane behavior there's always someone to defend it.

    What's described in the OP happened. It isn't a reflection on LGBTQ culture, it's a bizarre situation that benefits nobody, but it happened and for some, reason the real problem now seems to be that the topic is being raised at all.

    It's much easier to not have to bend yourself into the shape of a pretzel in trying to defend the type of behaviour outlined in the OP than to come on to this thread and try to rationalise said behavior. The easiest answer? Blame the person who started the thread, cast aspersions at them for even knowing about the topic.

    Always the same tactics, play the man and not the ball.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I'm guessing the school field trip to the strip club didn't have any effect either. All those fivers you stuffed into Crystal's thong didn't do a thing to raise an interest either.

    Glazers Out!



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