Dole 'summer bonus' .. are they for real?

its not easy. you know what is? sitting on your arse all your life living off other people's taxes.

a functioning SW system is vital to any developed society due to inability to work.

i just wish it would be properly means tested, possibly in collaboration with employers needing low skilled workers. as in...hey peter did you look for any work this month? yeah, didnt get anything. great, there's an opening in XXXX, you start monday. if you can walk here you can do the job.

and none of this job bridge nonsense, pay the full whack for the persons services.

the main problem i see is one of 2 things....min wage too low or SW too high.

on minimum wage, you need to work 4.63 hrs per day to net €220 per week (assumptions: have left our EE PRSI, minimum wage is 1656 per month, annualised to 19874, per day 54, per hour 6.81).

for not working at all, you get €208 per week.

thats a huge issue. no work, i get €208 per week. work 4.5hrs per day and i get €220. how does that make sense? need to incentivize people to go out working either by increasing minimum wage or decreasing SW (or a combo of both).

Bullshit Sweep sweep

From tradesmen to warehouse and factory operatives those companies you mentioned have pretty high standards and pay well , no dole lifer getting in there 😂😂

They are absolutely NOT related, bringing in emotive Health service incompetence and short comings despite extraordinary levels of Spending has nothing to do with a few politicians seeking a SW "Bonus" and SW bashing which this Thread is essentially about.

The only relevance may be the fact Everyone, especially children are impacted by a poor Health Service and I might add its not front line health care professionals to blame, they are incredible people in every respect, I've personally dealt with them over a number of years.

Well said 😉

Because they can sell for gargantuan inflated prices.

The OP nor those in agreement with them had no intention of separating types of SW payments, just focus on generalisations, wild assumptions based on here say, refuse to acknowledge data from actual direct sources and when all else fails resort to emotive tactics, such as Health care crisis as if to justify what is in essence and yet another SW Bashing Thread, tar every SW recipient with the same brush, so to speak and abjectly failing to under stand the many complex reasons for long term unemployment which is tiny in the over all context of thing's.

There are undoubted problems with the SW system, no one denies this , some have tried to offer suggestions , ideas etc, only to be shouted down. The way some are going on, you'd think the entire SW system was rampant with corruption, its quite simply preposterous.

Is the dole not welfare? I thought there was jobseekers, disability and illness, do i have that right?

And the figures tiny and deal factor in detections on fraud that may have happened historically, just at a basic level there was all sorts of wild assumptions about PUP fraud and whilst not a SW payment in the true sense it was open to wide scale abuses at the very start due to how it had to implemented quickly.

There was a number of very high profile cases of fraud , perpetrated by people I would not categorise as a typical SW recipient, these were well planned and orchestrated scams. There was also the living abroad and claiming PUP cases and whilst both reprehensible the Departments own stats suggest PUP fraud was extremely low and yet there's still those who claim PUP fraud was rampant when it was absolutely not.

MNCs and farmer grants are a different kettle of fish to those who choose the dole as a lifestyle. I'm not talking about those.

I'll pick on those lazy scroungers all I want considering I contribute to their wages and enable their choices.

There's actually no such thing as Dole in Ireland , it's an offensive term often used to essentially target anyone on a SW payment, it's use in the Thread was in essence an attempt to click bait and it of course worked.

Of course there are SW payments, Some income supports, Some illness and disability supports, Back to school supports, heavens above even children's allowance and of course the dreaded Jobseekers supports but as far as some are concerned there's really no difference and all equally distasteful.

Indeed you can make any assumptions you wish. Whether or not they are correct is another matter.

I never said you were making assumptions.

You asked if you could, I said of course you can.

Perhaps I misread your response but it went, you can make any assumptions you like 🤔

Any comments on your paying for farmers in receipt of SW , farm assist as an example 🤔

Why do you think I find council houses offensive, what gives you that bizzare notion 🤔 you really are clutching at straws now .

Spotted your latest typically unhelpful contribution to a ligitmate question by posters over in the State Benefits forum , you really are obsessed by this fictional SW fraud narrative, very, very disturbing.

Not in the slightest bit related to the narrative in this Thread , lots of excellent threads discussing health care crisis, issues, waiting lists etc .

Thanks for the Advice , I'll not be taking it seriously as I do with your contributions generally 😏

So we're onto Housing crisis now, why not throw in the Childcare crisis too 🤔and what exactly as any crisis has got to do with Trashing SW recipients, genuinely curious 🤔, you know full well this thread has nothing to do with SW Budgets or government expenditure on housing, health care etc, let's not pretend otherwise.

I was at a party this year. It was a double celebration...

40 years on the dole, and moving onto the old age pension.

I think we know not everyone in social housing doesn’t work which fair play to those who do and people have no issue with them having a social house.

But the fact remains the majority in social housing don’t work.

They are surviving unlike your claim that it’s impossible.

Whilst I accept in principle we're your coming from, you at least acknowledge it is not entirely a bed of roses in the SW system, this narrative there's no checking, no reviews and no removal or loss of an allowance amazes me.

Whilst there are different categories of MC full or specific ones are not easy to get and are subject to reviews

There's a perfect example how brutal the system can be, only this week when a teenager with serious special needs Died, his DA was paid on the week he died and the mother got a letters from SW within days asking for the money to be returned as it was deemed an over payment, admitidly she got an apology but if the DSP can stop a DA payment within a few days of a tragic death, that suggests to me they have robust systems when it suits.